Robert Tidwell 
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Re: “I Went to an ICP Show Last Night and I Think I Might Be a Juggalo Now

Oh, and if you'd like to talk about ICP and feminism, I'd love for the chance to elaborate. drop me a line @arainbowinblack on twitter.

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Posted by Robert Tidwell on 06/01/2013 at 1:32 AM

Re: “I Went to an ICP Show Last Night and I Think I Might Be a Juggalo Now

First and foremost, thank you for writing this and talking about how much fun an ICP show can be and what the experience was like for you. I really appreciated it. I want to address something you said, though.

I don't think ICP are misogynistic. I identify as a feminist as well and have been a juggalo for 17 years. I'm 31. I'm an artist.

What people don't understand about ICP is that they are an art group that isn't out there making music for you feel catharsis to. They use the words bitch and faggot quite a bit, they talk about violence, they sound like music that you expect knuckle dragging cave men to listen to. It's not like Death Metal where you are letting go of your aggression. They're telling stories, sometimes horror, sometimes comedic, sometimes... something else. A lot of us first bump ICP because we think "cool, I can blow off steam" but then we listen to what is actually being said - and not the way it is being said - and we either stick with it (juggalos) or we drop it like it's hot (non juggalos). If all you want is violence and gore and sexism, there are a million rappers out there doing it. ICP use those things to talk about spirituality, "family" and what it means to be "good".

Calling them misogynistic because they say bitch is a huge mistake. You're writing off someone who is actively teaching young men to value and respect women regardless of their dress size or weight or whatever. You're actively writing off someone who speaks out against domestic violence and rape.

If you're only going to read into the surface, they might sound pretty sexist. I agree. My first time hearing "Hate Her To Death" really got to me. But then I started thinking about it in the context of the album The Mighty Death Pop. The video ends with the boy crumpling up a drawing of a girl that he's basically been obsessing over. He has killed a couple of boys who bully him and it looks like he is going to kill her too. This sounds terrible, but in the context of the Mighty Death Pop, it makes sense. The album is about how negative emotions can take over and if we allow those negative emotions to run wild, we will push ourselves towards a "catastrophic demise".

Also, it's easy to assume that ICP fans are all midwestern men when the pictures we see are from the gathering. The gathering is in the midwest. There are juggalos all over the world who identify in many different social classes.

again, thanks for the great piece. I hope you go back and listen to their albums with an open mind. Maybe try to see in their music what we see. We see inspiration. We see permission to be ourselves no matter what. We see a call to treat EVERYBODY like family.

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Posted by Robert Tidwell on 06/01/2013 at 1:20 AM

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