Hank Roberts 
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Re: “John Williams: Believe Him or Not

Sorry, tried to correct errors in that post but looks like the old version got posted. This correction at least is needed, the second link should go to this chart, which is the main point about how we're eating down the trophic level and we've already eaten almost all the big fish:

http://scienceblogs.com/deepseanews/jackso…

You can't 'substitute' for those by eating lower down all the way to the jellyfish and krill.

Posted by Hank Roberts on 05/07/2010 at 10:52 AM

Re: “John Williams: Believe Him or Not

This is one reason you don't see economists talking to ecologists, who can point out specifically in detail how shifting to "cheaper alternatives" isn't the same thing:
http://scienceblogs.com/deepseanews/jackso…

The economy is turning life that could have gone on reproducing forever into the temporary illusion of money.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/08/…

Look at what's been eaten already and isn't ever coming back.



http://scienceblogs.com/shiftingbaselines/…

"Aquaculture now accounts for nearly half of all seafood produced. And we've started changing our eating habits to reflect changes in the marine ecosystems. We will continue to eat lower and lower on the marine food chain (to reflect fishing down the marine food webs). "When I first began talking about jellyfish burgers in the late 1990s, I did it as sort of an absurd metaphor," says Daniel Pauly. "I had no idea it would become a reality."

A brief web browse yields plenty of jellyfish recipes. Jellyfish are usually shredded, scalded, and served in a soy sauce dressing or on a mixed salad. For the hectic Japanese lifestyle, jellyfish are conveniently packaged with condiments such as wasabi or mustard.

As for jellyfish burgers, ... "they'll be called something else," Pauly says. "Something like 'flower of the sea' burger, to disassociate them with jellyfish."

http://scienceblogs.com/shiftingbaselines/…

Posted by Hank Roberts on 05/07/2010 at 9:17 AM

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