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Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

And now my final, and I DO mean final thoughts on this topic...

Incidents like this are why I stopped riding motorcycles over 55 years ago... I glanced down at the road going by at 50 miles an hour on a fine, bright summery day and realized a mistake on the part of anyone on the road with me, including me, and I got a part in a meat grinder impression with my meat starring between the steel of the bike and the asphalt. Since then, I've seen some bloody ones too. Bikers don't tend to get to walk away.

That was MY choice and I don't regret it.

Nor do I have any bad impressions of those who do ride now. I just say be safe about it.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/09/2018 at 5:40 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Yes TS Edson, he lost his leg AND the city paid him $12 million. Justice? I don't claim to know. I know I wouldn't like to lose my leg. Now EBX/DBG are engaged in whipping up a mob for ends I can't claim to understand.

And If you think verifying things is cold and heartless... Well I call it just plain stupid and brainless to allow others to think for me. If I do, I deserve everything I get.

Someone here called me evil. If facts and truth are evil, so be it. If you'd like to pray for me, that's your choice. Be aware, hitting my knees and begging for what I need from an angry invisible entity that already knows I need what I'm begging for... That's a little too much like dealing with Harvey Weinstein or paying tribute to a mob boss for my tastes. But, who am I to judge.

What I do know is the facts AS PRESENTED jarred me enough for me to take 15 lousy minutes to check them, and they didn't match anything I could find and, in fact what, I did find exactly contradicted them. I couldn't make them match the narrative in any way shape or form. Once that saw that much, the differences stood out more and more.

Evil, as certain literature has to say, needs only the good to stand and do nothing in order to succeed.

I do NOT choose to do nothing.
You can do as you choose as well.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/09/2018 at 4:41 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

A Ferrell pig is still a pig. Would that be the correct accusation?

Speaking of wolves - Surely your thin blue mind can recall the story of the pig who built his house (much like your arguments) out of straw??

Posted by City Counselor on 11/09/2018 at 2:51 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Bruce, you will be judged by God for those vicious, sad, twisted, sick comments. The biker did nothing wrong, lost a LEG for crying out loud, and you are blaming him, just because you have a problem with "liberals" and DBG. Why are you even hear on this forum?

Let me repeat, your comments are evil and reveal that you have a warped mind and a dead heart. I will pray for you, but I can see you have already chosen the dark side.

Posted by TS Edison on 11/09/2018 at 1:59 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Now we can see how the OPD gets away with so much crap--many Oaklanders defend them no matter what. Of course, this cop-love isn't unique to our city. It's ubiquitous. Probably related to widespread Stockholm syndrome and obsessive-compulsive disorder. A lot more people need to be in therapy.

Posted by Mike Bradley on 11/09/2018 at 10:31 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Allen Paxton, I don't see anywhere in this article that the city paid out 12 million for this issue... perhaps in aggregate for this type of issue, but not this one.

It HAS recently been the recipient of a judgement against it for over 2 million for one of EBX's pet council members... But that's neither here nor there is it?

As I drove this stretch of road this morning, as I do almost every morning, I took a moment to look closely at the reflections in the windows called out in the article... They're the pedestrian crossing signals on the opposing corner! They don't reflect the cross traffic at ALL!

Cop sympathizer? Hardly. But if you're gonna make an accusation, do it right. It makes it all that much harder to make the problems stick.

Maybe your mama told you the story of the little boy who cried wolf?

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/09/2018 at 9:23 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

city has more information than anyone about this case. city paid out $12million. city knows where this would go if all the facts were presented to a jury: way beyond $12million. shut up cop apologist.

Posted by Allen Paxton on 11/08/2018 at 11:48 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

city has more facts than anyone in this case. city paid out $12million. city knows where a jury with all facts would go with this: much more than $12million. shut up, cop sympathizer.

Posted by Allen Paxton on 11/08/2018 at 11:46 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

One other thing occurs to me and it has the potential to definitively answer the question of the stop.

Modern fleet vehicles, like the ones operated by ODP often have, in addition to GPS systems "tattle tale/health systems" tied to GPS and every other system in the car.

-- "You said you were under the speed limit? The GPS says otherwise... And your seat belt was off too!" Insurance companies love 'em!

While, I can see the city might not want to advertise the presence of such a system when it's not advantageous to them... I can also see that talking about it when it IS, would open the door to having to show it all the time, leading to personnel and other complaints.

Got to love lawyers!

I got a nickle in my pocket that says the city already know definitively... which may be why, almost two years later, the copy is still on the job.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/08/2018 at 4:13 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Can YOU see the limit line for the OPD SUV in the video? I can't.

I CAN see the biker blow through at speed and the LAW REQUIRES he pull over and stop.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/08/2018 at 1:55 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

OPD policy requires police officers to come to a complete stop at intersections.

Posted by C. Leonard on 11/08/2018 at 12:58 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Vincent, Patti,

I'd say there is ZERO chance he was unable to HEAR the siren as he approached the point he entered frame... Unless he was involved in other common stupidities:

(a.) Riding with earbuds in
(b.) exceeding the speed limit
(c.) both.

He enters the frame at about 26 seconds, approximately 60 feet (using the parking spaces as a crude and handy ruler) from the crosswalk. in less than 2 seconds, he is on the far side of the cross walk, about 80 feet from the point that he entered the frame.

Some quick googling says he was traveling at what looks like it's in excess of 45 Mph to do that. Way over the limit. I drive that street often so I happen to know it's 30, so it LOOKS like he's about 50 percent over the limit.

We SEE other cars pass through the intersection just as he enters the frame.

Were they ALSO running the light? I doubt it. Running red lights is sort of expensive, but it could be.

There is a pedestrian at the corner, at the cross walk, to his right.

And he's moving through, 80 to 100 feet from this intersection at, 45mph+, never slacking off with cross traffic and pedestrians present?

His chance to pull over was BEFORE entering the intersection. Is there some way you're claiming he was unable to HEAR the siren 80-100 feet from the intersection (before entering the frame) and begin to react and begin to slow/pull over?

We kind of know from the visual and calculating the distance covered in the time, that (b) to some degree holds true.

Now... Back to the California vehicle code. In very general form: Hear a siren, pull over and wait for it to pass. How hard is that?

I'm betting various insurance agencies, if they see this video, will hold the biker wholly liable. It was VERY dumb to post the video... Or a smart assist to the city. No idea which.

And now we return to DBG's statement "with helmet on, obeying all the laws"...

Nope, not EVEN.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/08/2018 at 12:35 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

In any city the buildings diflect noise and lights if kkkop was driving at a high rate of speed probably having turned onto broadway from another street as the motorcycle aproached the intersection on 19th, there is no way the motorecycle could of prepared and gotten out of the kkkops way other than speding up to exit the intersection. Kkkops fly all over our city racing to soo many imagined emergencies in the their hurry to kill someone ..they just cost us 12M in funds we could use for housing
No thanks once again opd.

Posted by Patti Rich on 11/08/2018 at 11:50 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

The motorcyclist was ALREADY IN THE INTERSECTION when he was hit. Where's the chance to pull over? There isn't one. VERY different story if the motorcyclist was approaching the intersection and didn't stop. The cop lied. The cop wasn't investigated.

Posted by Vincent Blafard on 11/08/2018 at 9:19 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Mr. BondGraham,

I find the headline of this article misleading and I think you should retitle it.

As you are probably aware, the term "making false statements" is the common term for a federal crime that includes perjury or obstruction of justice. Your headline suggests that the police officer made an official or legal statement that was objectively false. In fact, immediately after the collision the cop told the motorcyclist that he had come to a complete stop.

I agree that he was probably lying (it looks like he did not stop), but his "statement" wasn't in any formal capacity. Saying that he was caught making a false statement strongly implies that he committed perjury or obstruction of justice and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of that. Isn't the police officer lying enough of a story that you don't need to use the hyperbolic and misleading headlines?

In sum, this headline is clickbait and I think you can do better.

Posted by Tommy Katz on 11/07/2018 at 2:19 PM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

OK GPatton. Yeah, a lie is a lie. For the record, I'm no fan of cops for many reasons. And the biker broke the law blatantly. The don't balance. Nor do you or I know WHY the cop was running code 3 (lights and siren).

I do know I was thinking about that just that this morning and I'm reasonably sure a police "blotter" check for the date around that time would answer that question. Something DBG/EBX either didn't think or chose not to check... Instead using innuendo for an incident 19 months in the past.

From the video angle, I'd be hard pressed to say if the OPD SUV did or did not come to a stop out of sight or not. But I CAN say for absolute certain say the biker DID NOT pull over and wait for the emergency vehicle to pass.... Did NOT even slow down. As is required by, not policy, but law. It's NOT a suggestion.

All of those other incidents you brought up ARE clearly just smoke screens. Yeah, they're true and disgusting. So are the half truths the reporter has habitually used. Did OJ do it? probably, but can it be proved? No because some dip**** detective lied, manufactured evidence and so clouded the issue it can never be proved one way or another. The same principals apply here as well.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/07/2018 at 11:57 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

"Incorrect report", really? Why is it so difficult for some people to call a thing a thing. The cop LIED period, end of sentence! Why is America so brainwashed when it comes to law enforcement and truth. Here is the truth, video cameras have shown over and over and over that cops behave inappropriately and illegally every single day. They profile and verbally abuse innocent people, plant evidence and create scenarios in retrospect that did not happen. They shoot unarmed people, especially if they are Black or Brown. Instead of diffusing a potential situation upon arrival, they, as the law enforcement professionals, escalate the encounter. What the the public get's after a citizen is dead is the same old tired explanation and lies on the news. The officer was in fear of his life and discharged his weapon in fear. It was always the dead persons fault and he is not here to give the other side of the event. The same rehearsed line is given when the victim is unarmed on the ground or walking or driving away. The truth is that many cops are in fear for their lives as soon as they leave the yard and everything a citizen of a certain color does evokes the maximum force response. We have all seen the tapes. A cop in Texas physically assaults a young black girl in a swim suit, throws her to the ground and pulls his gun. Even his fellow officers looked at him like what is your problem man? Black unarmed drivers are given instructions by a cop and when in the process of compliance are shot. Young unarmed Black men are shot walking or running away from a cop who then claims that he was in fear of his life. Sorry Bruce, it is not an incorrect report, it is a lie. Many cops have military backgrounds and think they are still in Iraq or Afghanistan. I know that all cops are not bad and that they all have an extremely difficult job to do.But at least 10% of the cops on the street are not mentally or emotionally balanced enough to do the job. We have seen bad cops move from job to job running away from their poor records and it seems that history is not a determinant of future behaviors for some. It is urgent that leaders in law enforcement do a better job training and psychologically assessing job candidates to exclude those dangerous to the community. It has to be a PRIORITY!

Posted by GPatton on 11/07/2018 at 9:37 AM

Re: “OPD Cop Caught Making Apparent False Statements After Injury Crash

Wait... The OPD vehicle was traveling with lights and sirens. Van Fleet was riding his motorcycle ... and obeying all laws.

Uh no. Emergency vehicle with lights and sirens: Pull to the right and stay there until the emergency vehicle has passed. see California Vehicle Code 21055.

-- If a police car or other emergency vehicle flashes a light AND sounds its siren, surrounding traffic must respond appropriately or run the risk of receiving a fine. The law dictates that motorists must immediately pull over to the right-hand edge of a curb or highway and remain stopped until the emergency vehicle has passed. Pedestrians are required to go to the nearest curb or place of safety and stay there until the emergency vehicle has passed.

What game are you playing DBG/EBX? I'm certain a university graduate knows this or have you NEVER taken drivers training/education? Drivers Ed teaches drivers that if they hear the siren to be looking out for the emergency vehicle... Clearly in the video, Van Fleet never slowed or even looked around.

Yeah, getting hit is/was no fun. Nor is playing dodge-em cars in traffic with bikers who think they can ignore traffic regulations or play chicken with emergency vehicles with lights and sirens.

That said, the policy violation and incorrect report IS a problem that needs to be addressed... But this biker wasn't an innocent bystander either.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/06/2018 at 6:44 PM

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