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Re: “It’s Time for Mark Davis to Sell

Mark Davis is doing this on purpose. Why else would you trade your best player (Mack) literally the day before the start of the season? He's breaking it down as a big F-U to the fans of Oakland and the East Bay so he can rebuild in Vegas to new adoring fans. As a long-suffering Raiders fan (from before LA!) I've had enough. I'd defect to the Chargers, but since they bolted for LA I lost respect for them as well. As a Raiders fan I can't in good conscience root for the Chiefs or Broncos, and I think the Patriots are the spawn of Satan's little known brother Billy. So I guess it's the Saints from now on...

Posted by Larry Silvey on 10/30/2018 at 3:28 PM

Re: “It’s Time for Mark Davis to Sell

Mark Davis is a perfect example of what happens when a cokehead inherits an NFL franchise from his Dad. This team is headed for bankruptcy under his leadership. Perhaps that is the real plan for NFL owners to get the Davis family out of the NFL - Give him all the rope he needs to hang himself.

Posted by Bill McKinley on 10/30/2018 at 12:47 PM

Re: “It’s Time for Mark Davis to Sell

This article is absolutely spot on. Mark Davis is a textbook example of a guy possessing the dangerous combination of arrogance and stupidity. I was especially nostalgic last Sunday. The combination of this obvious train wreck of an organization and the clueless lack of respect for the City of Oakland by Davis has moved me to a position of total apathy. At this point, if the Raiders are playing, I don't care any more. I was nostalgic because I have been a fan since my dad took me to my first football game at the Oakland Municipal Stadium (Laney College site) in 1963.The Raiders played the San Diego Chargers. The Raiders star running back (Clem Daniels) at the time was a friend of the family and that day was the beginning of my total devotion to the Silver and Black. My adolescence was brightened by many Sundays with dad at the Coliseum watching the Raiders play football games that have gone down in NFL history. I was at all of the great championship games against the Steelers, Chiefs, Jets and Dolphins in the late 60's and 70's. When Al Davis moved the team in 1985, I went to at least one game in LA every year. When they came back to Oakland in 1995, I bought a PSL and went to every home game until they lost the Super Bowl in 2002. Since that time, the Raiders have been in free fall. Al Davis sadly became detached from reality as he aged and eventually passed. Unfortunately, Mark Davis was given the reigns despite not ever being a part of the organizational operation. He has shown absolutely no evidence that he is capable of running an NFL franchise successfully. A smart man realizes when he is over his head. Davis is not that. Instead, he doubles down on stupidity. Gruden is showing us why his record, post Super Bowl win in 2002, with Tony Dungy's team. is underwhelming. Unlike his fiery style of leadership in his first stint as Raiders coach, the new Gruden seems comfortable and resigned to losing. The fire is clearly not there anymore. I guess $100 million tends to change a man's perspective. The same can be said for this team. At the end of the day, you can't expect to have good things happen to you when you live foul. Mark Davis and his shiny new adventure in Vegas is clearly foul and will never be a success. As I said previously, at this point I don't care about the Raiders anymore. Davis and Gruden can both go pound sand, Vegas is a great place for that endeavor.

Posted by GPatton on 10/30/2018 at 7:18 AM

Re: “A’s Wild Card Loss Leads to Offseason Questions

I agree, the A's have the most important off-season of their 50 year history. In no short order, they need to:

1. Solidify their biggest star (Khris Davis) before he enters free agency.
2. Announce to their fanbase a solid, well-thought-out plan for a new ballpark.
3. Try to shore up their starting rotation with a few solid arms.
4. Find a new plan for an A's radio flagship.

It IS time for Fisher to step it up, financially. We all know this is a business, and none of us expect management to spend like drunken sailors. However, money will help make the stadium a reality. The money required to keep Davis part of the fold will bolster confidence w/their fanbase. A decent starting rotation allows the A's to remain competitive in the AL. A bold approach in building/partnering with a new flagship radio station helps to bolster and grow the A's fan community.

The A's now have the right "faces" and community-first attitude, but Ownership has to now deliver on the promises that they've made to me and the rest of the fanbase. This offseason will tell me all I need to know about the genuineness of their overtures.

Posted by Damon M on 10/09/2018 at 11:34 AM

Re: “A’s Wild Card Loss Leads to Offseason Questions

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, GPatton. I agree with a big part of what you wrote.

Posted by Chris De Benedetti on 10/09/2018 at 8:23 AM

Re: “A’s Wild Card Loss Leads to Offseason Questions

Thanks, Gil! I appreciate it, man.

Posted by Chris De Benedetti on 10/09/2018 at 8:22 AM

Re: “A’s Wild Card Loss Leads to Offseason Questions

I am a long time A's fan who, like many, was pleasantly surprised and encouraged by what I saw from the team this year. Their ability to close out games after the 7th inning, depth of the roster and the strength of the bullpen were notable. More than that, consistent play every day over a long period of time and the community focus from the front office were impressive. However, your premise that the playoff loss in NY changed everything for the off season is not accurate and over dramatic. Every single point presented in your article was true before one single pitch was thrown at Yankee stadium and still true after the loss. Obviously, when you go into a one game playoff game with a relay team of relief pitchers and no quality starters, you have a problem. When you have the lowest payroll in baseball and you are playing a team (Yankees) with one of the highest, you have a problem. Knowledgeable fans knew that to expect anything else than what happened in NY was a stretch. Kris Davis, based on the numbers (HR's and RBI's) is the premier power hitter in baseball over the last 3 years and needs to be paid accordingly. How can the A's pay Jed Lowery 7 million a year and not pay Davis? The answer is that they can't, especially when you have a young (cheap) player like Barreto ready to play second base every day. The A's must find a couple of quality starting pitchers if they are serious about competing with the Astros in the AL west.That will cost money, but they have no choice if they want to take advantage of a core young group (Simien,Chapman, Canha, Chapman, Laureano, Martini) who look ready to go to the next level and solid vets like Davis, Lucroy and Piscotty. The new ballpark process will be what it will be and they will make a decision when it's time. Fans have to be happy with the commitment by A's ownership to Oakland, especially after enduring years of Lew Wolff and Mark Davis. Let's not even talk about the Warriors being lured to the Land of Oz (SF). All of the A's challenges were true when the 2018 regular season ended and a one game playoff loss in NY changed nothing. There is still work to do!

Posted by GPatton on 10/09/2018 at 5:49 AM

Re: “A’s Wild Card Loss Leads to Offseason Questions

Great piece CDB, as always, I look forward to the next one.

Posted by Gil Batzri on 10/08/2018 at 9:28 PM

Re: “A’s-Yankees Wild Card Could Be a Classic

I respectfully disagree. For about a century, this was agreed-upon baseball history. Then, more than 110 years later, a new version is asserted about a minute, arcane detail? Sorry, sounds like an attempt by the Yankees to revise history that dares to say the baseball planets don't all revolve around them. All due respect.

Enjoy the playoffs!

Posted by Chris De Benedetti on 10/02/2018 at 6:02 AM

Re: “A’s-Yankees Wild Card Could Be a Classic

"The Baltimore Orioles were an original AL team, too, but the franchise relocated to New York City two years later and were renamed the New York Highlanders."
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That's debatable, actually. Baseball-reference.com and some other sources have removed the 1901-1902 Orioles from Yankees History, arguing that the original Orioles were a franchise that disbanded, and a new franchise reassigned to replace them.

https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2014/07/1901-02-orioles-removed-from-yankees-history/

Posted by Graeme Cree on 10/01/2018 at 9:06 PM

Re: “Oakland Should Sue the NFL and Mark Davis

The raiders should sue for name and logo. to send message to oakland donate here.

https://www.gofundme.com/keep-the?sharetype=teams&member=819530&rcid=r01-153785319182-6e8a29f7200243f2&pc=ot_co_campmgmt_w

Posted by Daniel L Williams on 09/24/2018 at 10:38 PM

Re: “A’s’ ‘Bullpenning’ Might Be a Bit Much

To conclude that the use of bullpen pitchers when quality starters are not available is somehow divisive to a team is a reach. First of all, if you have ever played on a baseball team at the college level or above, you know that pitchers are already a separate group from the rest of the team in many respects, much like kickers in football. Pitchers do not hit and do not play every day. They have training and game preparation routines that are very different from every day position players. As a result, they as a group, have rightfully earned a reputation for being quirky since the beginning of organized baseball. Secondly, as coach Herman Edwards says, you play to win the game. If using the bullpen instead of marginal starters wins games, most everyday players will not have a problem. Starting pitchers may take issue with that approach because it restricts their ability to generate statistics to support increased compensation at contract time. If there is a divide it is between the pitchers themselves.The approach is increasingly being used in modern baseball because the number of quality starters throughout the game is limited. Those who are dominant are compensated greatly. Those who are not, are not and should themselves consider taking a path to the bullpen.

Posted by GPatton on 09/11/2018 at 5:31 PM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

GRUDEN is to coaching what Trump is to politicians. He is tireless self-promoter and has a small man complex. Biggest waste of 100 mil ever.

Posted by jack 1128 on 09/10/2018 at 5:57 PM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

Well, let OAK just waste mo money on a lawsuit that is destined to fail. The Raiders are gone. Use the dough to repave crappy streets. I bet 1/2 the whiners don't even live in OAK. sure notice pavement changes turn much better as one leaves OAK for Berk. The Bay Area only needs one prof team for eaach sport. Be grateful for that. Count our blessings! But let's get rid if Shaft, a total, inexperienced failure owned by corporate property developers.
John Iverse, berkeley

Posted by John Tango Iversen on 09/07/2018 at 3:04 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

oakland , l.a , las vegas........ JUSTWINBABY

Posted by MR ESTRADA on 09/07/2018 at 1:23 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

oakland, l.a , las vegas ...... JUSTWINBABY

Posted by MR ESTRADA on 09/07/2018 at 1:21 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

It's possible that Gruden let go Mack for the draft choices because he has a ten-year view of things that begins, first and foremost, by rebuilding the team the way **he** wants. You get several high drafts from the Mack decision, then, because the Oakland-based team is so-so to sub-par, you get decent draft for having consecutive 6 and 10 seasons in 2018 and 2019. So, maybe, Gruden asked himself, can I win one or two Super Bowls over the next ten years (say, in 2023 or 2025), and, if so, what does it take me to do that -- and then retire a happy camper in 2027? Looked at it this way, the GM and Gruden recent signings of so-so free agents who won't take you anywhere n-o-w makes sense, however diabolical. So, maybe Gruden is really planning for his time in Las Vegas and the fans and team in Oakland are just cannon fodder for that bigger picture Gruden has in mind.

Posted by Tony Daysog on 09/06/2018 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

Any way you look at it, letting Khlalil Mack go made no sense. The most reasonable thing to have done -- had the impasse continued -- was to declare Mack a franchise player, making him play one (maybe even TWO) more years at the his current salary. Even if he played under that cloud this year, the Raiders could STILL have then traded him next year. So, pulling the trigger like the Raiders did NOW had no up-side to the team. Sorry, but the PALTRY drafts that the Raiders got from Chicago (yes, two #1 drafts **is** paltry) does not make up for the fact that Mack was and is a once-in-a-generation player.

Gruden's non-sensical Mack decision-making notwithstanding, there **is** sense to what he says about the GM's recent free agent hiring decisions. They've been absolutely terrible. The GM has been signing players who are ranked sub-par at the positions (ie defensive back signees) or are on the down-side of their careers. Jordy Nelcon? The guy is practically 40 years old!

Posted by Tony Daysog on 09/06/2018 at 10:50 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

For those who just sit back and watch, this is a part of the entire sports entertainment experience. It would be a mistake to take it personally, except for the rape of Oakland by the Davises pere et fils ..

Posted by Phil Allen on 09/06/2018 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

At the end of the day, the Khalil Mack trade was foreseeable and not surprising. Mark Davis has all of his chips on the table in Las Vegas. Everything he is doing before the big move is to throw public relations crumbs at Oakland fans to keep them from becoming hostile.The Chicago Bears gave Mack a lifetime contract that Davis could never afford. Davis is broke and looking for handouts wherever he can get them. Why else would he hire Brent Musberger to announce Raider games? It is because his aged new Vegas partners in the gaming industry can identify with that move. No other NFL owner has only football as their single revenue source. Signing Marshawn Lynch was all about public relations to get the team through 2017, overpaying for Gruden was to get the fans settled through 2018-19. Here are the brilliant management moves we have seen in the last 2 years. Not one player from the 2016 or 2017 drafts had an impact on the field last year. Since Gruden was hired, the team cut or traded arguably the best pass rusher (Mack) and punter (Marquette King) in the league. In addition, they released the most explosive offensive player on last years team (Corderelle Patterson). All reportedly gone without any direct conversation with Gruden. I have always had issues with head coaches who also control personnel decisions. Gruden appears to illustrate why. In addition to the loss of talent noted above, he has brought a number of aged veterans on board with legitimate questions about what they have left in the tank. The 2018 Raiders are the oldest team in the league. Part of that is a response to McKenzies miserable job drafting talent, but also it is because Davis has no money. Old veterans trying to hang on to careers are cheap. If you look at the Raider payroll, you will see Carr, Irvin, Osemele and Penn at the top of the list. Most of the team is not well paid and not well talented. The only organizational plan in place is to get to Las Vegas as quickly as possible. The odds of winning in Oakland with these PR moves and old cheap talent in the short term are slim. Don't forget, Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's defense which was anchored by Hall of Fame players like Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks and supported by all pros like John Lynch and Rhonde Barber. How many players of that caliber do you see on the Raider roster? After the Super Bowl year under Gruden, the Bucs were a less than .500 team.That is what the fans in Oakland who are paying attention, should reasonably expect, nothing more. It appears that the City and County are preparing to file a lawsuit against the Raiders. While I support going after Davis to pay off the bonds for construction of Mount Davis before he heads out of town. I don't have much hope on the anti trust angle based on his public and obvious failure to ever negotiate with Oakland in good faith. The City of Oakland and Alameda County should NOT give Davis a contract extension for the 2019 season. Davis is the arrogant long time boyfriend who is marrying another woman in 2020 (Vegas), but still wants to sleep with me (Oakland) until then. Tell him to kick rocks and get out of town as soon as possible. At the least, the politicians need to make sure that any legal wrangling concerning the Raiders does not impede the progress of the Oakland A's building a new stadium at the Coliseum site. If I had tickets to Raider games this year, I would bring my flask, you are going to need it.

Posted by GPatton on 09/05/2018 at 5:57 PM

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