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Re: “A’s’ ‘Bullpenning’ Might Be a Bit Much

To conclude that the use of bullpen pitchers when quality starters are not available is somehow divisive to a team is a reach. First of all, if you have ever played on a baseball team at the college level or above, you know that pitchers are already a separate group from the rest of the team in many respects, much like kickers in football. Pitchers do not hit and do not play every day. They have training and game preparation routines that are very different from every day position players. As a result, they as a group, have rightfully earned a reputation for being quirky since the beginning of organized baseball. Secondly, as coach Herman Edwards says, you play to win the game. If using the bullpen instead of marginal starters wins games, most everyday players will not have a problem. Starting pitchers may take issue with that approach because it restricts their ability to generate statistics to support increased compensation at contract time. If there is a divide it is between the pitchers themselves.The approach is increasingly being used in modern baseball because the number of quality starters throughout the game is limited. Those who are dominant are compensated greatly. Those who are not, are not and should themselves consider taking a path to the bullpen.

Posted by GPatton on 09/11/2018 at 5:31 PM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

GRUDEN is to coaching what Trump is to politicians. He is tireless self-promoter and has a small man complex. Biggest waste of 100 mil ever.

Posted by jack 1128 on 09/10/2018 at 5:57 PM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

Well, let OAK just waste mo money on a lawsuit that is destined to fail. The Raiders are gone. Use the dough to repave crappy streets. I bet 1/2 the whiners don't even live in OAK. sure notice pavement changes turn much better as one leaves OAK for Berk. The Bay Area only needs one prof team for eaach sport. Be grateful for that. Count our blessings! But let's get rid if Shaft, a total, inexperienced failure owned by corporate property developers.
John Iverse, berkeley

Posted by John Tango Iversen on 09/07/2018 at 3:04 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

oakland , l.a , las vegas........ JUSTWINBABY

Posted by MR ESTRADA on 09/07/2018 at 1:23 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

oakland, l.a , las vegas ...... JUSTWINBABY

Posted by MR ESTRADA on 09/07/2018 at 1:21 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

It's possible that Gruden let go Mack for the draft choices because he has a ten-year view of things that begins, first and foremost, by rebuilding the team the way **he** wants. You get several high drafts from the Mack decision, then, because the Oakland-based team is so-so to sub-par, you get decent draft for having consecutive 6 and 10 seasons in 2018 and 2019. So, maybe, Gruden asked himself, can I win one or two Super Bowls over the next ten years (say, in 2023 or 2025), and, if so, what does it take me to do that -- and then retire a happy camper in 2027? Looked at it this way, the GM and Gruden recent signings of so-so free agents who won't take you anywhere n-o-w makes sense, however diabolical. So, maybe Gruden is really planning for his time in Las Vegas and the fans and team in Oakland are just cannon fodder for that bigger picture Gruden has in mind.

Posted by Tony Daysog on 09/06/2018 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

Any way you look at it, letting Khlalil Mack go made no sense. The most reasonable thing to have done -- had the impasse continued -- was to declare Mack a franchise player, making him play one (maybe even TWO) more years at the his current salary. Even if he played under that cloud this year, the Raiders could STILL have then traded him next year. So, pulling the trigger like the Raiders did NOW had no up-side to the team. Sorry, but the PALTRY drafts that the Raiders got from Chicago (yes, two #1 drafts **is** paltry) does not make up for the fact that Mack was and is a once-in-a-generation player.

Gruden's non-sensical Mack decision-making notwithstanding, there **is** sense to what he says about the GM's recent free agent hiring decisions. They've been absolutely terrible. The GM has been signing players who are ranked sub-par at the positions (ie defensive back signees) or are on the down-side of their careers. Jordy Nelcon? The guy is practically 40 years old!

Posted by Tony Daysog on 09/06/2018 at 10:50 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

For those who just sit back and watch, this is a part of the entire sports entertainment experience. It would be a mistake to take it personally, except for the rape of Oakland by the Davises pere et fils ..

Posted by Phil Allen on 09/06/2018 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

At the end of the day, the Khalil Mack trade was foreseeable and not surprising. Mark Davis has all of his chips on the table in Las Vegas. Everything he is doing before the big move is to throw public relations crumbs at Oakland fans to keep them from becoming hostile.The Chicago Bears gave Mack a lifetime contract that Davis could never afford. Davis is broke and looking for handouts wherever he can get them. Why else would he hire Brent Musberger to announce Raider games? It is because his aged new Vegas partners in the gaming industry can identify with that move. No other NFL owner has only football as their single revenue source. Signing Marshawn Lynch was all about public relations to get the team through 2017, overpaying for Gruden was to get the fans settled through 2018-19. Here are the brilliant management moves we have seen in the last 2 years. Not one player from the 2016 or 2017 drafts had an impact on the field last year. Since Gruden was hired, the team cut or traded arguably the best pass rusher (Mack) and punter (Marquette King) in the league. In addition, they released the most explosive offensive player on last years team (Corderelle Patterson). All reportedly gone without any direct conversation with Gruden. I have always had issues with head coaches who also control personnel decisions. Gruden appears to illustrate why. In addition to the loss of talent noted above, he has brought a number of aged veterans on board with legitimate questions about what they have left in the tank. The 2018 Raiders are the oldest team in the league. Part of that is a response to McKenzies miserable job drafting talent, but also it is because Davis has no money. Old veterans trying to hang on to careers are cheap. If you look at the Raider payroll, you will see Carr, Irvin, Osemele and Penn at the top of the list. Most of the team is not well paid and not well talented. The only organizational plan in place is to get to Las Vegas as quickly as possible. The odds of winning in Oakland with these PR moves and old cheap talent in the short term are slim. Don't forget, Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's defense which was anchored by Hall of Fame players like Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks and supported by all pros like John Lynch and Rhonde Barber. How many players of that caliber do you see on the Raider roster? After the Super Bowl year under Gruden, the Bucs were a less than .500 team.That is what the fans in Oakland who are paying attention, should reasonably expect, nothing more. It appears that the City and County are preparing to file a lawsuit against the Raiders. While I support going after Davis to pay off the bonds for construction of Mount Davis before he heads out of town. I don't have much hope on the anti trust angle based on his public and obvious failure to ever negotiate with Oakland in good faith. The City of Oakland and Alameda County should NOT give Davis a contract extension for the 2019 season. Davis is the arrogant long time boyfriend who is marrying another woman in 2020 (Vegas), but still wants to sleep with me (Oakland) until then. Tell him to kick rocks and get out of town as soon as possible. At the least, the politicians need to make sure that any legal wrangling concerning the Raiders does not impede the progress of the Oakland A's building a new stadium at the Coliseum site. If I had tickets to Raider games this year, I would bring my flask, you are going to need it.

Posted by GPatton on 09/05/2018 at 5:57 PM

Re: “Gruden’s Honeymoon Is Already Over

If it works long term you will have to write another article. We shall see.

Posted by Malcolm Marshall on 09/05/2018 at 5:26 PM

Re: “As Mack Holds Out, Raiders Play with Fire

Raiders are like the Harlem Globetrotters, except they always lose and no one laughs.

Posted by Jesse Adams on 07/30/2018 at 9:41 PM

Re: “As Mack Holds Out, Raiders Play with Fire

Anyone who is middle-aged and has a haircut that makes him look ten isn't playing with a full deck. Mark Davis can take his Las Vegas Raiders and stick it

Posted by Martin Privat on 07/30/2018 at 10:44 AM

Re: “As Mack Holds Out, Raiders Play with Fire

Once again Mark Davis has shown in the firing of Greg Papa that he is clueless. He fires Papa and hires Brent Musberger? Brent may have had his day as a broadcaster, but that day was many days in in the past. In 2018, NOBODY wants to hear old ass Brent except maybe Sheldon Adellson and the rest of Davis new gambling cronies in Las Vegas. How do you give a coach with a .500 record (Gruden) 100 million dollars and not pay one of the top defensive forces in football (Mack)? How do you release arguably the most explosive player on last years team (Patterson) and one of the leagues best punters (Marquette King) and get no compensation. The answer is clear, it is arrogance and incompetence. Davis is so far over his head, he is a mini reminder of the orange clown in the White House. They are actually two of a kind. Both are petulant, insecure, arrogant and ignorant with few if any people skills. Both will inevitably crash and burn, it is the only outcome possible. Oakland should be glad this idiot (Davis) is leaving town, it cannot happen soon enough.

Posted by GPatton on 07/27/2018 at 1:58 PM

Re: “As Mack Holds Out, Raiders Play with Fire

Without Mack, the Raider defense will simply be AWFUL. Case in point: last year (and the year before), the defensive backfield was simply . . . AWFUL. So, what do the Raider top brass do in the past months? Release those awful players . . and go around and sign two AWFUL CBs in Shareece Wright and Rashaan Melvin. How awful are these guys? Look them up yourself:… It's pretty clear that McKenzie is (and has been ) in over his head as GM.

On offense, the Raiders appear to be aiming to build their offense around #89 -- the problem is that this guy is too small and opposing defenses have figured out that all they have to do is physically take him out, and he goes quiet -- as he did for several games at a time. Even worse: the Raider release their own offensive weapons in Crabtree and the emerging Corderelle Patterson. Maybe Gruden will have schemes to have #89 avoid getting physically taken-out -- I dont think that'll happen because that's what they tried to do last year -- he was still taken out. As for Carr: it appears that after his injury he's become gun shy and worried mostly about getting hit.

I think the Raiders will go 9 and 7 by the sheer force of GRUDEN -- but they could fall to 8 and 8, or worse 7 and 9. Maybe even 6 and 10 -- the defense is STILL awful, and the Raiders need new top management. On offense, the Raiders lack weapons to fully implement whatever schemes Gruden et al implement.

As for Papa: this might be the outlier point of view, but: at many times, I found him unnecessarily MEAN-SPIRITED in his tone with Tom Flores and Lincoln Kennedy. I do NOT think that he was THAT much of a Raider treasure trove SLASH historian deserving of a special place in Raiders land. Insightful, quick-tongued, yes; but, for my taste, too mean-spirited at times.

Posted by Tony Daysog on 07/27/2018 at 9:25 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

It's about time the city of Oakland wakes up. They need to rtain teh Rainers name teh same as Cleveland did. After all, "the Raiders Nation", the Black Hole are devotees of teh Raiders. Hard to imagine htem thronging to LV to see the new team called the Las Vegas Strippers, no, the Las Vegas Ringsiders, no, the Las Vegas Gamblers. . .If Oakland wants to put a lethal dagger into the Raiders, retaining tehir name will do it. They'll wish they never moved. Also, keep the Silver and Black.

Posted by TimothyWahl2 on 07/24/2018 at 2:56 PM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

Why not sue the NBA for moving the Warriors to sf? Frisco can afford it (lets say 1billion) and then we can pay the old farts pensions and have some left over to pay for the endless settlements against the city, cops, schools, etc

Posted by Streetfred Iop on 07/23/2018 at 3:30 PM

Re: “Davis Dysfunction Dooms Raiders Again

You have made some compelling arguments on why this move won't work for this proud team. As a native Bay Arean, Raider fan, and once-Las Vegas resident for 9 years, I agree with you that this will not work in the long-run. Sure, there are some Raider fans who live in Vegas already but many of Vegas' residents are transplants with other allegiances. In other words, they are loyal to their 'own' team already and bringing the Raiders to town won't make them simply switch teams. As a matter of fact, surprise, other fans normally hate the Raiders.

The fans in the Bay have been loyal to this team through thick and thin over the last 23 years (and longer). From the move back from L.A., the highs of the 'Chucky Era I' to the disappointment of the 'Jamarcus Era' and more. What will happen if they continue to be less than great in Vegas? Will Vegas fans show up if they don't have a competitive team immediately? Not a chance. As you pointed out it will be hard to for a team to be competitive when the seats are filled with 25%-40%+ opposing fans in attendance. This could be a very bad business decision for both the team and its new city. Vegas should have an NFL team, but the Raiders belong in Oakland if not the Bay. Vegas should have gotten an expansion team of their own that the locals could support.

Posted by Derek Salas on 07/19/2018 at 11:30 PM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

Libby, JPA, A's are all in on the plan to exit the Raiders from Oakland. They are now giving ForeverOakland folks that same treatment, they gave the Raiders. The same foot dragging, constant request for more time, etc. A lawsuit won't happen, because they are afraid of all the insider dealings between them be exposed in public discovery.

Posted by jpltanis on 07/19/2018 at 1:27 PM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

I agree with Gary Patton and others who think that pursuing litigation would be throwing more money into a futile effort to keep the Raiders in Oakland. Time for them to leave for good!

Posted by Vivian Kahn on 07/19/2018 at 9:36 AM

Re: “Why Hasn’t Oakland Sued the NFL Yet?

Libby Shaaf needs to go. Oakland is a ghetto needs alot. If this money can go to the tax fund do it. After the lawsuits from the whore who sued the city with no evidence to these wrongful injuries etc WE CAN USE EVERY DOLLAR
F the Raiders. But this article lost me when it bashes Trump so F this dude too.

Posted by Susan Hardin on 07/19/2018 at 7:29 AM

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