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      <![CDATA[Pat, you are on the money. I have made the points about a constitutional republic as opposed to an unlimited majority democracy on other threads here and I triply appreciate all the great points you made here.
        
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      <![CDATA[Reading these comments makes me truly scared for our nation. First, "That’s how democracy is supposed to work."
        
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      <![CDATA[I implied no such thing. I said that our electe officials were corrupt, incompetent or both.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tom, your weak approach including attacking my rational politics has played into Mr. Gammon's hands. Obviously our elected leaders have totally failed us as they took the easy way out and caved into a suit that had no legal merit since it was directly against a collective entity, the OPD, instead of specific individual alleged perpetrators.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tom Gramborne,<br>
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This is your direct quote:<br>
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"The NSA is dragging out in part because Chanin, Burris and Warshaw all stop getting paid when it's over. Make Oakland Better Now dislikes corruption and dysfunction more than anything, and the NSA situation is full of both."<br>
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That's a clear implication that Chanin, Burris, and Warshaw are involved in corruption.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tom Gramborne,<br>
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We got into these legal questions, because you took us there. The above post, as you noted, does not delve into the legality of Make Oakland Better Now's plans.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tom Gramborne,<br>
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The case you cite appears to be different from the Make Oakland Better Now argument in several ways:<br>
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1. The American Nurse's Association intervened in the settlement "almost immediately" after it was finalized, as the appellate court noted.
        
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      <![CDATA["Basically anybody who has to rely on OPD can claim standing for being negatively affected by the NSA."<br>
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It remains to seen whether the federal courts agree with that assertion -- especially in a case that's already been adjudicated.<br>
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Don't forget: Make Oakland Better Now is proposing to intervene in a case that settled nine years ago. What's left of the case is the process to ensure that the settlement is carried out.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tom Gramborne,<br>
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As the above post points out, Oakland citizens already have the legal right to request changes to the NSA. But in a representative democracy, that right of citizens is held by their elected leaders -- who definitely are a part of the NSA process.<br>
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The problem with Make Oakland Better Now's plan is that it assumes too much.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't agree with your politics here Caryn. I just think citizens have a legal right to be well represented in the NSA and that our elected leaders are failing us.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thanks, Tom. Gammon as usual just reiterates the Burris-Chanin Leftwing Party Line  here.<br>
The whole Riders thing has been another unseemly stunt by professional ambulance chasers from the beginning.
        
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