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      <![CDATA[The future is a one minute exchanged batteries at service stations across the country, with the batteries being charged by wind or solar arrays. Zero pollution.
        
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      <![CDATA[A note about CO2<br>
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    "CO2 from cars does not contribute to smog and is not harmful to human health but it is one of the leading contributors to global warming."<br>
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    This claim is wrong. There is new support for the fact that CO2 contributes to air pollution mortality.
        
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      <![CDATA[Good to hear this info. This could be a <br>
    great start for Tata Motors to get in <br>
    partnership with one of the popular industries nowadays.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Terry Morrow]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I am angry. Who does this regulation serve?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Robert K.]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Given the ban on new nuclear energy production in this state, the plug-in hybrid is a fraud. It creates more green-house gasses than a standard hybrid, replacing gasoline combustion with coal combustion.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Nick]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[To send CARB your comments on this change: <br>
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    http://www.arb.ca.gov/lispub/comm/bcsubform.php?listname=phev09&comm_period=A
        
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      <![CDATA[I meant plug-in hybrids, of course. Regular Priuses just convert the Kinetic energy from the gas engine.
        
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          <a href="http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/Profile?oid=1163483">with squirrel</a>]]>
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      <![CDATA[This article overlooks the enduring myth behind electric/hybrid vehicles - electricity has to come from somewhere, and if everyone drives an electric or hybrid vehicle it will most likely be coming from coal-fired generation plants with considerable energy loss during transmission from the distant plants (NIMBY) to your driveway. Drive less (live closer to work, work closer to home, use public transit, walk and bike more).
        
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      <![CDATA[Looking at the "  12/2008 new testing" proposals by CARB for Plug-in hybrids. I find it totally complex, confusing, complicated and over-worded.
        
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      <![CDATA[Addendum by Ron Gremban, CalCars Technical Lead (what I forgot to say):<br>
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    CalCars believes the HEV-to-PHEV conversion industry is still too embryonic to survive the serious regulation required for mature industries, and that the hundreds to thousands of conversions that may be installed by entrepreneurial companies in the next 2-3 years will make a much more significant contribution to the progress of efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions than the possible cost of their worst case contributions to smog.<br>
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    Also, whatever is decided for HEV-to-PHEV conversions may well apply to future ICE-to-PHEV conversion efforts, which, though even more embryonic, will be needed en mass to meet CA requirements for 2020 and 2030 carbon emissions, because even automaker PHEV ramp-up 25 times as fast as has occurred for hybrids would fill only 7% of CA's automotive fleet with PHEVs, and reduce carbon emissions and oil use by maybe 3%, by 2020.<br>
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    Instead of CARB's current proposal, we recommend immediate rules for registration of conversion manufacturers, with provisions for industry-government dialog along with probable collaborative research and testing aimed at coming up, as the industry grows and matures, with regulation that best satisfies the state's combined needs for clean air, customer protection, and the most rapid and effective possible reduction of vehicular carbon emissions and oil consumption.<br>
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    However, if CARB does go ahead, here is an example of a graduated regulation scheme that could continue to allow grass roots innovation by holding compliance costs to around $500 per already-sold conversion -- a high but not insurmountable hurdle:<br>
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    * A company enters the conversion business by presenting CARB with an engineering proposal showing how it will avoid increased criteria pollutants; it then shows a running prototype. Each completed conversion is subject to an ordinary end-user smog test for that model of unconverted vehicle.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Felix Kramer]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for the story, and Ron for the comments -- CalCars' full backgrounder and draft of the statement we'll present next week is at http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/1039.html<br>
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    -- Felix Kramer, Founder, CalCars.org
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Ronald Gremban]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[By Ron Gremban, CalCars Technical Lead:  This is a great article!<br>
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    It did seem to imply that all plug-in hybrids (PHEVs), or maybe just all conversions, are limited to 34 mph and modest acceleration without the engine, which is not true; converters have even managed to drive Prius conversions electrically to 52 mph despite Toyota's limiting software.<br>
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    I believe that CARB wrote their proposed rules as if the PHEV conversion industry is a huge, mature industry like auto manufacturing, which has a billion-dollar cost of entry and 5 year development cycles. In contrast, all conversion manufacturers, except Hymotion once it was bought by A123, are entrepreneurial, funded largely by sales of evolving, often one-of-a-kind conversions.<br>
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    The proposed CARB rules would require all design, testing, and certification efforts to be done up front before selling any conversions.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Rachel Hollowgrass]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[How can citizens send comments to the Air Resources Board about this? Now is the time to make our voices heard.
        
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      <![CDATA[CARB is populated with certifiable idiots. Look what they have done to diesel cars.
        
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    <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:28:54 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Gary Gerber]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Nancy, I hope that you can use your influence on CARB to prevent the same fiasco that befell the electric car. I've been driving and all-electric car for the past 7 years, but at this point there is no support infrastructure at all for EVs, thanks mostly to CARB's refusal to uphold the legislature's intent for ZEV's, which started way back in 1990.
        
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      <![CDATA[Does California have an Attorney General? - I mean to investigate bribe-taking officials on the Air Resources Board.
        
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