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Re: “Thou Shalt Not Kill?

It is "Thou shalt not murder", as is well known, by biblical and theological teachings, as well as by God, Who found up to 33 crimes//sins deserving of execution, by man.

Please review:

God/Jesus: 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses father or mother must certainly be put to death.' Matthew 15:4 NAB. This is a frequent passage which God used in the OT, which, as was Jesus' custom, He brought into the NT for emphasis of continuity and importance.
full context www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew15.…

Pope Pius XII: "When it is a question of the execution of a man condemned to death it is then reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned of the benefit of life, in expiation of his fault, when already, by his fault, he has dispossessed himself of the right to live." 9/14/52.

Pope (and Saint) Pius V, "The just use of (executions), far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this (Fifth) Commandment which prohibits murder." "The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent" (1566).

All interpretations, contrary to the biblical support of capital punishment, are false. Interpreters ought to listen to the Bible’s own agenda, rather than to squeeze from it implications for their own agenda. As the ancient rabbis taught, “Do not seek to be more righteous than your Creator.” (Ecclesiastes Rabbah 7.33.). Part of Synopsis of Professor Lloyd R. Bailey’s book Capital Punishment: What the Bible Says, Abingdon Press, 1987.

"Moral/ethical Death Penalty Support: Christian and secular Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/deat…

Christianity and the death penalty
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html#F.C…

Catholic and other Christian References: Support for the Death Penalty,
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/10/12/ca…


The current Catechism confirms within CCC 2260: "For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning.... Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image."

"This teaching remains necessary for all time."

Just as:

Quaker biblical scholar Dr. Gervas A. Carey confirms: " . . . the decree of Genesis 9:5-6 is equally enduring and cannot be separated from the other pledges and instructions of its immediate context, Genesis 8:20-9:17; . . . that is true unless specific Biblical authority can be cited for the deletion, of which there appears to be none. It seems strange that any opponents of capital punishment who professes to recognize the authority of the Bible either overlook or disregard the divine decree in this covenant with Noah; . . . capital punishment should be recognized . . . as the divinely instituted penalty for murder; The basis of this decree . . . is as enduring as God; . . . murder not only deprives a man of a portion of his earthly life . . . it is a further sin against him as a creature made in the image of God and against God Himself whose image the murderer does not respect." (p. 111-113). Prof. Carey agrees with Saints Augustine and Aquinas, that executions represent mercy to the wrongdoer: ". . . a secondary measure of the love of God may be said to appear. For capital punishment provides the murderer with incentive to repentance which the ordinary man does not have, that is a definite date on which he is to meet his God. It is as if God thus providentially granted him a special inducement to repentance out of consideration of the enormity of his crime . . . the law grants to the condemned an opportunity which he did not grant to his victim, the opportunity to prepare to meet his God. Even divine justice here may be said to be tempered with mercy." (p. 116)."A Bible Study", Essays on the Death Penalty, T. Robert Ingram, ed., St. Thomas Press, Houston, 1963, 1992.

Jesus: Now one of the criminals hanging there reviled Jesus, saying, “Are you not the Messiah? Save yourself and us.” The other, however, rebuking him, said in reply, “Have you no fear of God, for you are subject to the same condemnation? And indeed, we have been condemned justly, for the sentence we received corresponds to our crimes, but this man has done nothing criminal.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” (Jesus) replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23: 39-43

It is not the nature of our deaths, but the state of salvation at the time of death which is most important.

Jesus: “So Pilate said to (Jesus), “Do you not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you and I have power to crucify you?” Jesus answered (him), “You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above.” John 19:10-11

The power to execute comes directly from God.

Jesus: “You have heard the ancients were told, ˜YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER” and “Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court”. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, “Raca”, shall be guilty before the supreme court and whoever shall say, “You fool”, shall be guilty enough to go into fiery hell.” Matthew 5:17-22.

Fiery hell is a considerable more severe sanction than any earthly death.

The Holy Spirit, God, through the power and justice of the Holy Spirit, executed both Ananias and his wife, Saphira. Their crime? Lying to the Holy Spirit – to God – through Peter. Acts 5:1-11.

No trial, no appeals, just death on the spot.

God: “You shall not accept indemnity in place of the life of a murderer who deserves the death penalty; he must be put to death.” Numbers 35:31 (NAB) full context http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/numbers/num…

For murder, there is no mitigation from a death sentence.

Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/11/2012 at 5:32 PM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Judy Kerr:

Those who have lost loved ones to death penalty eligible murders, if not all murders, support the death penalty above 95%, based upon the anecdotal evidence (2).

Why do you want to hurt other murder victim survivors, who wish to retain the death penalty, finding it to be justice in their cases?

They are not trying to take away your punishent choices, are they?

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of your 400 murder vicitm family members supportive of Prop 34 represent crimes which are not death penalty eligible and/or are relatives of those on death row, as these groups often equate murderers on death row with innocents murdered.

My sympathies for their losses, regardless. But my distain for their efforts opposing justice, the goal of all sanctions.

From:

(2) Victims' Families for Death Penalty Repeal: More Hurt For Victims
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/04/vict…

Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/06/2012 at 9:11 AM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Judy Kerr does not identify one inaccuracy, because she cannot.

The inaccuracies are Joaquin's, which I have identified.

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Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/05/2012 at 9:30 PM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Oaqin:

What is a greater risk to innocents?

Life without parole or the death penalty?

INNOCENTS ARE MORE AT RISK WHEN WE ALLOW MURDERERS TO LIVE
Dudley Sharp

Innocents Matter

Do anti death penalty folks really care about innocents at risk? Of course.

But, for their leadership, they would prefer to see an additional 6.3 murdered innocents, instead of the execution of 1250 known murderers (2).

Astounding.

For some very well known leaders of the anti death penalty movement, their motivation is not protecting innocents, but protecting the lives of all murderers, no matter the cost in innocent lives.

That's their moral choice.


THE LOW RISK OF EXECUTING THE INNOCENT

Depending upon review, possibly we have sent from 25-40 actually innocent people to death row, or about 0.4% of the 8400 so sentenced in the modern era, post Furman v Georgia (1972) (1).

So far, the evidence is that the death penalty is 99.6% accurate in finding actually guilty murderers guilty and 100% accurate in sparing those actually innocent from an unjust execution.

It is unlikely that there is a more accurate system.

There appears to be no proof of an innocent executed in the US, at least since the 1930's.

That includes the Troy Davis, Cameron Willingham and Carlos DeLuna cases.

It is much more likely that an actual innocent, sentenced to life, will die in prison, than it is that an actual innocent will be executed.

About 5000 prisoners, on average, under custody, die every year in the US (2).

On average, we have executed about 33 murderers per year since 1973.

In addition, at least 14,000 additional innocents have been murdered by murderers we have allowed to harm, again, since 1973, the year that US states started to re-enact new death penalty statutes after Furman v Georgia (2).

Since 1973, somewhere between 40,000 and 200,000 actual innocents have been murdered in the US by criminals who were under the government supervision of parole or probation, at the time of the murders. (2).

But, somehow, the priority is getting rid of the death penalty??!!
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FOOTNOTES

THE DEATH PENALTY: SAVING MORE INNOCENT LIVES

Innocents are more at risk without the death penalty.

Of all endeavors that put innocents at risk, is there one with a better record of sparing innocent lives than the US death penalty? Unlikely.

1) The Death Penalty: Saving More Innocent Lives
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/03/deat…

2) Innocents More At Risk Without Death Penalty
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/03/inno…

Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/05/2012 at 2:49 PM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Joaquin:

you write:

"Maybe Virginia has a superior death penalty system. But the ACLU certainly doesn't think so. In a 2003 report, they wrote that; "there are, in fact, many errors taking place in Virginia capital cases. The appellate courts simply are not reviewing them, and thus are not reversing convictions or sentences."

Did you actually believe this?

It's complete nonsence, of course, as anyone would know.

Last time I checked, about 15% of their capital cases are overturned on appeal.

Did you chewck, at all?

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Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/05/2012 at 2:46 PM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Joaqin:

I am a former anti death penalty person who decided to fact check the claims.

What I found was this:

"Anti death penalty arguments are either false or the pro death penalty arguments are stronger."

And your article offers more support for that claim.

"The Death Penalty: Neither Hatred nor Revenge"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/07/20/th…

"The Death Penalty: Not a Human Rights Violation"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/th…

"Killing Equals Killing: The Amoral Confusion of Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/02/01/mu…
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MORAL FOUNDATIONS: DEATH PENALTY

1) Saint (& Pope) Pius V: "The just use of (executions), far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this (Fifth) Commandment which prohibits murder." "The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent" (1566).

2) Pope Pius XII; "When it is a question of the execution of a man condemned to death it is then reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned of the benefit of life, in expiation of his fault, when already, by his fault, he has dispossessed himself of the right to live." 9/14/52.

3) John Murray: "Nothing shows the moral bankruptcy of a people or of a generation more than disregard for the sanctity of human life."

"... it is this same atrophy of moral fiber that appears in the plea for the abolition of the death penalty."

"It is the sanctity of life that validates the death penalty for the crime of murder. It is the sense of this sanctity that constrains the demand for the infliction of this penalty. The deeper our regard for life the firmer will be our hold upon the penal sanction which the violation of that sanctity merit." (Page 122 of Principles of Conduct).

4) Immanuel Kant: "If an offender has committed murder, he must die. In this case, no possible substitute can satisfy justice. For there is no parallel between death and even the most miserable life, so that there is no equality of crime and retribution unless the perpetrator is judicially put to death.".

"A society that is not willing to demand a life of somebody who has taken somebody else's life is simply immoral."

5) Billy Graham: "God will not tolerate sin. He condemns it and demands payment for it. God could not remain a righteous God and compromise with sin. His holiness and His justice demand the death penalty." ( "The Power of the Cross," published in the Apr. 2007 issue of Decision magazine ).

6) Theodore Roosevelt: "It was really heartrending to have to see the kinfolk and friends of murderers who were condemned to death, and among the very rare occasions when anything governmental or official caused me to lose sleep were times when I had to listen to some poor mother making a plea for a criminal so wicked, so utterly brutal and depraved, that it would have been a crime on my part to remit his punishment.".

7) Jean-Jacques Rousseau: "Again, every rogue who criminously attacks social rights becomes, by his wrong, a rebel and a traitor to his fatherland. By contravening its laws, he ceases to be one of its citizens: he even wages war against it. In such circumstances, the State and he cannot both be saved: one or the other must perish. In killing the criminal, we destroy not so much a citizen as an enemy. The trial and judgments are proofs that he has broken the Social Contract, and so is no longer a member of the State." (The Social Contract).

8) John Locke: "A criminal who, having renounced reason... hath, by the unjust violence and slaughter he hath committed upon one, declared war against all mankind, and therefore may be destroyed as a lion or tyger, one of those wild savage beasts with whom men can have no society nor security." And upon this is grounded the great law of Nature, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." Second Treatise of Civil Government.


"Moral/ethical Death Penalty Support: Christian and secular Scholars"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/deat…

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Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/05/2012 at 7:30 AM

Re: “Executing the Death Penalty

Did you fact check this?

You write:

"But Gascón has seen instances in which people sentenced to death have later been found innocent. Over the past forty years, 130 death row inmates have been exonerated nationwide. "

Nope.

The 130 (now 141) death row "innocents" scam
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fa…

from

THE DEATH PENALTY: SAVING MORE INNOCENT LIVES

Of all endeavors that put innocents at risk, is there one with a better record of sparing innocent lives than the US death penalty? Unlikely.

1) The Death Penalty: Saving More Innocent Lives
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/03/deat…

2) Innocents More At Risk Without Death Penalty
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/03/inno…

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Posted by Dudley Sharp on 10/04/2012 at 1:59 PM

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