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I wish folks would dig a little deeper. 1) Yes, thank you Pat and Nancy. That being said, the lack of communication to the actual constituents, is the very reason why people had to become squeaky wheels and have this meeting so late in the game. It was very telling that a member of the Homeowner's Association number 1,000 people said they never heard of it. All the people on the listservs did a public service to bring this issue out before it's too late. 2) It is easy to behave as a dog park proponent; you are asking mama for a cookie...so you can make homemade plaques, and smile. However, if you are against the dog park, and you are any interested party who happily and healthily uses that space, you are feeling that something is getting taken away from you; by encroachment, interloping, etc. History is filled with examples of land being taken away by those more powerful. Now before people get in a pissing battle about that, let me get to the point. In blighted areas, where dog parks go up, who are you offending...litterers, drug dealers? It's the exact opposite here. The dog park proponents are insisting on taking what ain't broke and trying to fix it. Why do you think there are any opponents at all? Because dpproponents act like these people and their activities don't matter, aren't important, are less important, are selfish, etc. And that is not the case. There are numerous forces throughout history that try to extinguish, diminish, lord over, marginalize and minimize others and their activities. And every time this issue is raised, the dog park proponents wish to say how sweet, important, helping and significant dogs are. Well, it is trickery and not well intended. So for those on the sidelines, who are worried about vitriol, and public/private behavior, just be sure you are weighing in correctly, and honestly assessing if successful groups, neighbors and individuals, should be bullied and pushed aside, in the name of dogs.
The labeling of folks "anti dog park" is promoting falsehoods and is violent. There seems to be two factions: those pro dog park and those pro saving Astro Park. I have never read of or met a person anti dog parks. And I have yet to meet an anti-dog person, either. So, let's just cut out the labeling and the hating.
I am not the same person as "lying..." And" lying...." has already told you that. Cease and desist.
All over facebook, yelp, etc. are complaints about Oakland's current dog parks. These complaints are made by your very own dog park supporters. Grove Shafter gets complained about and it's *brand new*. Go there. You will see a sign saying that ODOG is one of the parties in charge. So ODOG, why are you spending time working on this project, which will be empty all day, and be overcrowded on the weekends, instead of working out the problems and complaints about your other Oakland dog parks? Maybe spending too much time on flyers, brochures, self promotion etc???
@Paul - obviously children are not dogs and dogs are not children. Children grow up to be adults (most). Dogs grow up to be dogs. I am sorry but dogs do not have rights under the US Constitution.
@Sharedspace - Of course, you want to expand the park....then you can ask Nancy Nadel to make the rest of the open space a GORGEOUS parking lot!
@folks who talk about dogs bringing business to Grand and Lakeshore Ave. Ummm, last time I checked the dogs don't have a great time at a darkened movie theatre for 2 1/2 hours. Dogs don't enjoy getting a mani/pedi for 1 hour or more. Dogs don't get taxes done. Dogs don't get the battery in their watch changed at jewelry stores. Dogs don't eat hot dogs at 7-11. Dogs don't get fitted for bridal dresses. Dogs don't make it to fourth position in dance class. Dogs don't pump gas. Dogs don't pick up scripts at CVS. And dogs don't go to Catholic mass. I am tired of seeing dogs stuck in cars while their owners run errands. Grand and Lakeshore Ave. are filled with restaurants and food/bar establishments BANNED from having dogs. Enough with the outlandish arguments, folks.
@Paul - are you seriously taking us as idiots? Are you saying a trained service dog, say for a diabetic who has gone blind, is the same as a therapy dog? Service dogs are prohibited from dog park fun with all other dogs including your alleged therapy dog. Too bad that once you got your proof, you tried to trick people. As I said, this dog park took 11 years to design...and no one gave a damn about disabled people with service dogs. Now that's elitist. Supposedly Emily Rosenberg works with therapy dogs too; but even she didn't provide for service dogs. .......That's the epitome of elitist. 11 years is too long to call it an "oversight". The leaders of ODOG are discussing vine colors - THAT'S elitist. It's an exclusionary park. Period. Do your homework, Paul. Readers: if you believe knowledge is power, read this:
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