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Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Michael Good remarked: "Well, Michelle Metiche, I hope it is that simple. Maybe there is little to no nuance intended by Cat Brooks in her remarks.

She never made a "call for violence." Not calling for it - is that the same as not condoning it? Is not actually issuing orders for the soldier to shoot and kill the same thing as being against the war?

"We not only emphatically condemn violence against the people" - Who are the "people"? Is that all of us? Or only the ones that Cat Brooks wants to support? Does it mean that she emphatically does not condemn violence agains the police and/or anyone at all?"

well first off, you misquoted cat brooks. she said, "For the record: Neither I, nor APTP, have ever made a call for property damage" in response to being accused of supporting vandalism. your war analogy makes no sense here, as a broken window is clearly not comparable to people's bodies being injured or to people being killed.

next, in response to your question about who are the people, let me ask you this: who is it that you THINK cat brooks is referring to?

Posted by Michelle Metiche on 01/15/2017 at 9:22 AM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Well, Michelle Metiche, I hope it is that simple. Maybe there is little to no nuance intended by Cat Brooks in her remarks.

She never made a "call for violence." Not calling for it - is that the same as not condoning it? Is not actually issuing orders for the soldier to shoot and kill the same thing as being against the war?

"We not only emphatically condemn violence against the people" - Who are the "people"? Is that all of us? Or only the ones that Cat Brooks wants to support? Does it mean that she emphatically does not condemn violence agains the police and/or anyone at all?

Sandy Sanders: "Disrupting the status-quo non violently." Good, one hopes you mean just that. Throwing rocks at windows is pretty violent, right? Throwing rocks at police? Burning trashing cans is pretty violent as is smashing up cars. Take it a step further - imagine blocking the freeway. Imagine a person having a heart attack or a woman in labor, maybe in an ambulance and maybe not. They can't get through to the hospital. They die. Is that OK? The death was a direct result of your deliberate and illegal act. Running out on the freeway and trying to stop traffic. Someone gets hit and killed. Is that peaceful? We are at great risk of these acts of violence.

It would be good if we could hold the protestors to the standard of behaving non-violently. And really mean it without wiggling out of it with excuses or rationalizations. Hope you are right.

We all have the right to peaceful assembly. Let's keep it peaceful. Everyone and in every way.

Posted by Michael Good on 01/15/2017 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Been reading the comments flowing in and glad to see support for the rights of people to be protected from police violence vs the rights of Commerce to do as it pleases without protest, disruption or inconvenience of any kind.

As per George Lakoff's theory, society is broken into two factions. Those who want equality, an egalitarian society, and those who like authoritarianism. The egalitarians love freedom, equality, openness and sharing. The other loves order, control, and the certainty of uninterrupted business as usual by whoever is in power of authority... usually themselves.

I am glad to a part of those seeking equality and justice for all. We will continue to speak out and disrupt the status quo non-violently while the Praetorian Guard of the 1% tries to crush us with distortions, lies, trickery, confusion and gibberish meant to keep themselves as overlord. Like tRUMP has done. Bon apptit America!

Posted by Sandy Sanders on 01/14/2017 at 8:47 PM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

"For the record: Neither I, nor APTP, have ever made a call for property damage."

hello.

what part of this is unclear?

some of the readers are playing stupid. cat made it crystal clear what the stance is on property damage.

Posted by Michelle Metiche on 01/14/2017 at 5:19 PM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

"Overwhelmingly, communities of color in both West and East Oakland have said they do not want a torn-up Oakland. A busted up Youth Radio building or family-owned downtown business alienates us from the very people we say we are fighting for."

can you people read?

cat books clearly says that property damage is not the will of oakland communities that ATPT is fighting for.

Posted by Michelle Metiche on 01/14/2017 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Ms. Cat Brooks, I would like to take this opportunity to say that you are one of my sheroes and I am so proud and humbled by the great work that you are doing on behalf of our people.

I share your sentiments exactly and am so tired of the violence being perpetuated against our people being compared and conflated to destruction of property. I'm tired of our ancestors efforts being thrown in our faces as if their way of organizing is the only way, or as if the white people throwing it in our faces actually know anything about how or why they organized. As if we weren't at home digging through their words, searching for direction and finding in it exactly the direction we are going.

For all the people writing in opposition to Cat, I laugh at you. How amusing it is to see people sitting on their asses complaining to a revolutionary in the midst of a full and successful revolution that somehow you know better how this revolution should be conducted. Cat Brooks name will be written in the history books and your will too, but only when we quote your racist, hateful comments. I'm writing a book now about the movement and it's naysayers. so thank you for providing me with such rich material.

And Cat, I hope I get the opportunity to meet you someday soon. In Solidarity, Phoenix.

Posted by Phoenix Love Armenta on 01/14/2017 at 12:07 PM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

David Cohen: well said..

I mentioned that it was a slight of hand because it seemed to me it was out of step with journalism norms. When a journalist makes a correction, they normally own it and point it out.

Either way, it further highlights the ambivalence (or support) Brooks appears to have about vandalism.

Posted by Michael Good on 01/14/2017 at 10:39 AM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Thanks to Michael Good for pointing out the change in the headline (appropriately deleting "vandalism"). However, I don't see this as a sleight of hand, but rather just a correction, for which the editor of East Bay Express deserves credit. As for Ms. Brooks, she may want to reflect on exactly what her thesis is, and focus on that core message when she next writes an opinion piece, rinsing out some of the distracting off-point rhetoric.

Posted by David Cohen on 01/14/2017 at 10:11 AM

Re: “Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee To Boycott Trump Inauguration

I send her all our Aloha from Hawaii!!!

Posted by Terry Aguiar on 01/14/2017 at 9:34 AM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Interesting that the East Bay Express changed the title of this opinion piece -

from:

Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Vandalize or Become Violent

to:

Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

Seems to me that East Bay Express has made a correction to reflect that Cat Brooks was so vague about vandalization. They must have realized she is not really coming out against vandalization - she seems to think it is OK. Remember, it was the "independent" protesters doing this anyway.

Very slick slight of hand by the editors..............

Posted by Michael Good on 01/14/2017 at 9:16 AM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

I stand with Cat Brooks and the APTP.

Posted by Ann Swinburn on 01/13/2017 at 11:40 PM

Re: “Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee Refuses to Certify Trump's Electoral College Win

Henry Wade
Still holding out hope? Well stop. It's over! The liberals are parched and dying as they claw through an unending desert of denial. And for the next four years, the Hand of God will be dry.So you may want to save a precious swallow or two.

Posted by Henry Wade on 01/13/2017 at 10:30 PM

Re: “Protest Trump's Inauguration in Oakland, But Please Don't Be Violent

This reads like a lot of nifty phrases - "the people", "diversity of tactics", "the masses", "the struggle", etc. all pieced together to sound like quite the revolution. But, if you read it again, it becomes more clear that it is like gibberish.

The "movement?" What movement? Not described here. Cat Brooks seeks to "illuminate the clarity of our message" with no real description of what exactly the message is and who the people are behind "our."

She seems clear on who is protesting as part of the movement and who is not. No one else seems to be clear. The mobs that gather and wreak havoc - do the good ones have ID cards that say they are the real movement while those that are not the real movement are the bad ones. How can anyone know this?

Is ATPT a real thing with lots of members or participants or supporters that are clear on a message? Does ATPT have membership that can be the "we" that Cat Brooks referred to? Check out the website:

- no leaders or members identified. - "is a group of concerned and committed institutions, organizations and individuals" - none are actually identified to be members of this group
- seeks money
- is NOT not-for-profit
- seeks to end state sanctioned murder and violence against Black, Brown and Poor people. Gee, I did not know Jerry Brown sanctioned this! Or is it the Feds? Great buzzwords that make it sound like a vast conspiracy with some shadow group wanting to kill all these people. Really?
-writes and posts everything anonymously

Seems like this ATPT is nothing more than Cat Brooks trying to look like more than Cat Brooks.

I appreciate the clear and constructive thoughts from Kai Chang. Seek a way to do things differently. A way that will help send a clear message from fine, upstanding people that want things to be better. That want to be heard. Get press and publicity that will make people want to be more supportive.

Or, keep doing stupid things that create environments to be conducive to violence, blaming the bad on others, and facilitating people running amok in the night. Get bad press and publicity. Get less support than ever.

David Cohen's comment about the incoherence of a key paragraph is quite on point. One thing seems be clear - bodily harm (to protestors, not necessarily police) seems off limits and vandalism and property damage do not seem to be off limits.

For once, it would be nice if protesters stayed off the freeway so that no one gets killed or hurt. The "real" protesters can take photos of violent people and vandals and step up to identify them so the police can put them in jail. Protest their actions right there on the spot. After all, they are "independent" and not part of your deal.

Peaceful assembly please without excuses.

Posted by Michael Good on 01/13/2017 at 3:40 PM

Re: “Town Business: Increasing Financial Aid for Renters Displaced Due to Code Enforcement

Questions:

-What if the building is hazardously noncompliant with building codes b/c of the actions of the tenant, and the tenant is unresponsive to requests by the land-lord? Do they still get paid to leave? (If not, great way to extort).

-What if the tenant is richer than the landlord? (Even greater way to distort).

-What happens in the case of commercial warehouses that are zoned commercial (no variances) and a tenant illegally subleases. When & if the landlord finds this out, will the subtenants still be given protection, and the landlord still forced to pay illegal tenants to move?

I'm guessing/hoping not, but given our reactionary City and how general the article is written it makes it sound like no matter the condition all tenants will be protected, even if they're illegal and even if it violates zoning.

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Re: “Jim Kaiser, Eccentric Champion of Incredibly Strange Music, Dies at 46

I am very sad, for Jim is one of the reasons Amoeba remains the best place I have worked for. Jim was always so interested in my music - Renaissance and Baroque lutes, unhip despite early music's self-appointed acronym - when I knew little of his, beside "experimental," and the high regard accorded him by classical musicians. Jim's was the all-inclusive mindset that every artist should strive for.
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Posted by Franklin C. Lei on 01/13/2017 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Oakland Landlord Evicts Tenant, Then Hangs Pro-Trump Billboard on Building

Bro ALkebulan get an attorney and renters insurance fast!!!

Posted by HuNia Vinnetta Bradley on 01/13/2017 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee To Boycott Trump Inauguration

Barbara Lee is extremely disillusioned on the subject of Russia interfering with the election. The entire intelligence community report is nothing more than baseless accusations and conjecture at best. There is no hard evidence of Russia interfering. No recorded conversations from the Kremlin to hackers and no digital forensics released on the hacking. The report even says and I quote
"Judgments are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents.
They assess that russia interfered. This is not the same standard as proof that they interfered. This is more "weapons of mass destruction" fairtale like stories to mislead the public and make us less resistant to a future confrontation with Russia.
Oh and those sr intelligence serve at the pleasure of the president and they are non elected officials who do and are not suppose to make policy.

Posted by WOakcitizen on 01/13/2017 at 8:54 AM

Re: “Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee To Boycott Trump Inauguration

Barbara Lee boycotts for me!

Posted by admittedidealist on 01/13/2017 at 6:30 AM

Re: “Oakland Congresswoman Barbara Lee To Boycott Trump Inauguration

Well, JIM MZT
Rep. B. Lee is courageous person with a moral compass to distinguish between corruption and lies

Posted by cinderella on 01/12/2017 at 10:35 PM

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