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Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

To all the people in these comments so callously disparaging the artists, the dead, the warehouse spaces, the partiers, etc as being immature children scared of the "Real World":

Just because you yourself don't understand the value of local art and art spaces, it doesn't mean it's not meaningful and important.

Think of your favorite musician. They could have started their career in an art-house just like Ghostship or the dozens of others here in the Town, and squares just like you probably mocked them endlessly: "Stop pursuing this childish music stuff and get a real job!" Thank god they didn't listen.

Don't drag us all down to your level of banality. Go back to the suburbs if you want a predictable, "sensible" lifestyle where everyone has a "grown-up" job, a cubicle, a white picket fence, a two-car garage, a nice big TV to watch the football game. You keep working on the GDP, we'll keep making music and art that brings people joy. Both are important.

Posted by Max Chanowitz on 12/09/2016 at 3:29 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

It is so haaaaard to "survive" and be an artist without stealing water and electricity and getting free food, free Obama phone, free medical care...

Art is not a neccessity. Like FIREMEN are a neccessity. Was a GROWN UP not in charge at the mayor's office? How were they short 92 firemen...short of building inspectors....the building literally didn't appear in the inspection database for fire inspections.

Yet complaints including fire safety complaints were made. Were these complaints buried to protect the precious fringe artists and the "scene?" Even at the level of city officials and inspectors...where were the GROWN UPS??!!

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 1:40 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

People who suck the tit of the system and don't want to work but would rather play and be intoxicated all day at taxpayer expense.... people who lack gratitude and humility and buy expensive foods with food stamps and laugh about how they are getting over...these are the bad examples who make taxpayers think that social welfare programs just fund irresponsible lifestyle choices and they are reluctant to fund these.

Not one voice in these many threads has so far stood up and DENIED my assertion that Derick Almena and his wife probably played the system and collected social welfare...how many of the 35 adults who died were collecting SSI and food stamps and Section 8 and LET US NOT FORGET unemployment insurance benefits.

Ooooh. I am looking so hard for a real job. But first....RAVE PARTY!!!!

How were those three kids at a hotel the night of the fire??? CPS was probably footing the bill. One way or another, taxpayers have been funding these parties and "artists" and bad lifestyle choices since the Lyndon B. Johnson administration.

And the very people in the system whose job it is to be grownups and crack down on stupidity kept looking the other way. Tolerance of bad lifestyle choices and funding those choices permeated the whole system.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 1:10 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

post by Mike Benedict on 12/07/2016 at 1:12 PM -(above) should be the editorial. Well said.

Posted by Tom Gan on 12/09/2016 at 1:06 PM

Re: “NBC Paid for Ghost Ship Operator Derick Almena's Hotel Room During Exclusive Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBOwPORHGU

Posted by Che' Pressnall on 12/09/2016 at 10:50 AM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

Ladies, Gentlemen and all other gender non-identifiers, in the the person of JohnNoMoniker, I give you, what I am now calling the the alt-left.

Every bit a poisonous as the alt-right and it's figure head the new POTUS. Every bit as self centered, name calling and uninterested in solutions.
Swaddled in the the fuzzy language of "safe spaces", "complicated existence", holding these concepts as dear only to themselves, granting none to others.

BTW, forget food stamps, SSI and all the rest of those... Let's talk about those who decry how corrupt society is, scream for it's destruction while drinking clean water from a tap, using electric power from the wall for their Macbooks, iPhones, DJ dance parties and just in general enjoying the benefits of a non-primative, brutish existence free from large meat eating animals that would doubtless enjoy them as a a snack. All the while behaving as if anonymized destruction wrapped in outrage improves things.

disgusting

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 12/09/2016 at 10:09 AM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

"Or the outlier, bad-actor art-scene figureheads youre on watch" -stated right there that the writer is holding people like Almena accountable. did y'all read the article before you flipped a lid?

but a lot of you are missing the underlying point. our society does not promote non-profitable artistic creation, thus resulting in cities' lack of funding and support to those that want to dedicate their lives to artistic endeavors. resulting in places like the ghost ship...that said, if you are going to create a warehouse space, it should be done with more precautionary and safety measures. but i think the writer is saying to attack those in control of the system. those who are not thinking about providing affordable housing for creatives...and not just creatives, either. lack of funding and housing for homeless, veterans, service workers. it starts even beyond the city of oakland. it's a cultural mindset and art is on the back burner to retail development, big $ housing, and other corporate greed. but, for oakland, a city known to be "progressive", it should be a point of emphasis for those running the city to develop housing for all it's people...artists, low paying workers, minorities.

Posted by zinnful on 12/09/2016 at 9:10 AM

Re: “An Open Letter to Our Community, From the Former Residents of the Recently Closed LoBot Gallery in West Oakland

Efforts at Harm Reduction are starting. It's too late to stop the coming round of evictions, but perhaps in the new spaces that will be created in Vallejo, Stockton, Fresno, will be safer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XtBIjV… which is a longer version of this: http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/12/06…

Posted by Ryan R Young on 12/09/2016 at 8:23 AM

Re: “An Open Letter to Our Community, From the Former Residents of the Recently Closed LoBot Gallery in West Oakland

With this much evidence of manslaughter why isn't Derick in jail? The wife, too? He is a flight risk.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 7:22 AM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

How did they afford their rock and roll lifestyle?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 7:18 AM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Their passion....paid for with SSI and food stamps. Government assistance programs in the US are the biggest arts endowment program in world history.

Don't want to work? Get a malady...get SSI...and eat, drink, be merry...screw all day...call yourself an "artist."

I want to know...to paraphrase the song....how did they afford this rock and roll lifestyle? If rent was 6k and people paid 500 a month then 12 people could cover rent. And that was BEFORE admission fees for raves...none of it taxed...none of it counted as income against food stamps.

This was irresponsible lifestyle choice funded by the taxpayers...and it isn't just thus one time and place. This is how being an artsy bum works. This is how some oeople don't work and eat lobster and people who work buy noodles.

Survive on ramen....bullshit. working people eat ramen. Artsy bums eat lobster.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 7:16 AM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Which of the 35 adult victims had real jobs?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 4:06 AM

Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

As I said...something is wrong with the assessed value in the first place. But usage outside proper zoning should result in more than a fine...it should nullify Prop 13 protections.

Should. Somebody would have to make the legal argument and have it stick...what a fascinating legal mess.

Did the assessed value keep going up? I find that hard to believe. Place had no power or water and stole from the neighbors. It appears that tax-wise the property was VACANT.

TAX FRAUD???

Out of all this human drama...what a dull little angle. I wonder if anybody in the media could be made to care?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 3:57 AM

Re: “When the Mind Splits

I currently have a friend that had Dissociative Disorder and I need to get her help ASAP. I live in the bay area but do not know who to get it from and how to contact her family about it; right now as I am typing it is 1:45Am and I just got off the phone with her, she is drunk and possibly might be in shock and I have no idea where she is. I'm hoping she wakes up tomorrow and calls me.

I need help, if anyone knows any professional Psychotherapist in the bay area that works with DID: please contact me in a comment reply here or message me immediately.

Thank you.

Posted by Molly 1 on 12/09/2016 at 1:49 AM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Backlash on communities after that community has been traumatized is so common place that it's nearly logical in some warped out dimension where landlords and mortgage brokers decide who gets to own more gravity. I've lived in wild and weird housing most of my life (I'm 41). I feel like a broken record, but what if it was so fucked up expensive to live here? I grew up here, I can barely afford to live here, I'm a dedicated healthcare worker, and I can't see how anyone with two eyes and a life outside the suburbs could blame a bunch of people for giving up on creature comforts (who needs a stovetop anyways??) to pursue their passion. I know that arts and gentrification are intimately bonded, and I've done more than a fair share of bitching about it, but living like that, pursuing art with passion that makes it ok to be cold at night, survive on ramen and create, it's noble. I appreciate it so much.

Posted by Al Pionyu on 12/08/2016 at 11:37 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

This is the kind of guy who sits around judging everyone around him while probably hiding kiddie porn in his basement.

Isn't that a hummer in your profile pic? Talk about responsibility! You probably love driving up to your local McDs for a welfare meat big mac (subsidies is welfare, mind blowing huh?) before heading over to Wally-world so you can support the welfare system you despise so much by shopping at a place whose employees are so low paid even at full time they still need food stamps, and whose products are made by children in other countries instead of by Americans.

Oh, and I'm sure you also hate the members of the armed forces who are smoking pot to deal with the PTSD they got watching their friends get blown up for your oil you love so much who also happen to get food stamps.

Yeah, you have the right to judge, sure.

You have no idea what a fool you are, your hero Trump is getting extra security to accommodate his needs that is going to cost more than food stamps all together for a WHOLE YEAR and still all you will spout is nonsense.

Posted by Patrick L. Bertlein on 12/08/2016 at 10:15 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

I got a post that the NYT is putting significant resources into covering the Ghost Ship fire. They are even asking the public to suggest avenues of investigation.
I found this when I followed up:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/the-oakland-fire-delving-into-what-happened-and-why.html

Posted by LJ Schneider on 12/08/2016 at 9:48 PM

Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

Mr Eroster I assume your economic calculation is correct but remember due to Prop 13 that is irrelevant . Just determine the assessed
value when acquired and the most it can be increased is 2% a year. This under assessment of commercial property is the cause of many of our City's financial problems.

Posted by ed gerber on 12/08/2016 at 6:28 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

In 1997 or thereabouts Martin Pang burned down his (adoptive) parents' warehouse because he wanted even more money to support his playboy lifestyle and four Seattle firemen died when they fell through the roof. Actually....Pang hired an arsonist. He had no DIY ethic.

Pang fled to Brazil. Brazil extradited him but not without a benefit to Pang of reduction in sentence...no more years than what was possible under Brazilian law. So it was certainly worth the effort to flee.

If Pang could have gotten a Brazilian woman pregnant HE NEVER WOULD HAVE FACED EXTRADITION.

Evidence of manslaughter is overwhelming here... lock Derick up. Before he flees the country.

Lock him up. Lock him up.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Hitler was a mether an artist to fk oak can of spray paint and meth and your an artist put MAYOR AND DERICK IN THE PRISON SHIP TONIGHT

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

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