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Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

Mr Eroster I assume your economic calculation is correct but remember due to Prop 13 that is irrelevant . Just determine the assessed
value when acquired and the most it can be increased is 2% a year. This under assessment of commercial property is the cause of many of our City's financial problems.

Posted by ed gerber on 12/08/2016 at 6:28 PM

Re: “Was Operator of Oakland Warehouse Fire Venue 'Warned' of Safety Issues, 'Illegal' Construction, Danger?

Coexcist is a racist word if you did nt coexcist with METHER DERICK HE ROBBED YOU AND BEAT YOU

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 6:05 PM

Re: “Was Operator of Oakland Warehouse Fire Venue 'Warned' of Safety Issues, 'Illegal' Construction, Danger?

Hang this punk DERICK tonight for crimes against humanity THE METH DOPE SHIP...DERICK SAID WE CAN RIP HIS SKIN OFF NO THANKS DERICK METH FILLED SKIN

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 6:01 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

In 1997 or thereabouts Martin Pang burned down his (adoptive) parents' warehouse because he wanted even more money to support his playboy lifestyle and four Seattle firemen died when they fell through the roof. Actually....Pang hired an arsonist. He had no DIY ethic.

Pang fled to Brazil. Brazil extradited him but not without a benefit to Pang of reduction in sentence...no more years than what was possible under Brazilian law. So it was certainly worth the effort to flee.

If Pang could have gotten a Brazilian woman pregnant HE NEVER WOULD HAVE FACED EXTRADITION.

Evidence of manslaughter is overwhelming here... lock Derick up. Before he flees the country.

Lock him up. Lock him up.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Hitler was a mether an artist to fk oak can of spray paint and meth and your an artist put MAYOR AND DERICK IN THE PRISON SHIP TONIGHT

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

THE DOPE SHIP THIS PUNK DERICK NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP FOR A LONG TIME IN SAN Q ALONG WITH MAYOR CODE ENFORCEMENT CPS HIS KIDS WERE METH ANIMALS FIRE DEPT HEALTH DEPT BUILDING DEPT FIRE DEPT OWNER OF BUILDING BUILDING INSPECTORS FK OAKLAND THEY WANT THESE WAREHOUSES SO THEY CAN PUT UP HIGH PRICED CONDOS FK OAKLAND ITS A MARXIST HELLHOE PUT THEM ALL IN PRISON

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:41 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Derick needs to be in prison tonight THE METH SATAN SHIP HE WAS A PIMP MAYOR CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO BE IN PRISON

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Put derick in prison tonight THE METH SATAN DOPE SHIP

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:35 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

What was Derick Almena's real job? Collecting SSI for being bipolar? Growing pot? Collecting food stamps and the earned income tax credit for 3 kids who half the time were dumped off with relatives, foisted upon underpaid and cheated baby sitters or actually in the custody of Child Protective Services?

Among the 35 adult victims NO WAY will you find 35 grown up and paying full time jobs. The ability to live for many surely came from claiming disabilities and sucking the tit of SSI and Food Stamps.

Even now among the survivors some are probably trying to turn this into SSI so they can spend the rest if their life smoking dope and making fringe art while claiming PTSD.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:52 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

You are quite correct regarding "Hear, hear." I am surprised. I had long assumed it meant agreement "Here, here."

Now what can you tell me about public assistance such as food stamps being used to fund this irresponsible rock and roll lifestyle?

A single vacation in Bali while these conditions endured will be all the prosecutor needs to prove depraved indifference to human life. Why is indictment taking so long? In the midwest where people have some sense this flight risk Derick Almena would already be in jail.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:40 PM

Re: “Housing Groups Slam Proposal to Redefine Affordable Housing in Oakland

How I Got Back On My Feet Again Through The Help Of A Reliable Loan Company

Am here to share my testimony of what a good trusted loan company did for me. My name is Harriet Lionel, from Houston United States and Im a lovely mother of 3 kids i lost my Job a couple of months ago 14th Jenaury precisely and things where so hard for me and my children, I went online to seek for a loan assistance and i fall into the hands of scammer, i was scam over $4,500.00 dollars, all my access where all gone, taken away from me. all hope was lost and i and my kids where sleeping in the street not until one faithful day when i met this friend of mine who recently secured a loan from ADAMS LOAN LIMITED. She introduced me to this honest company who helped me get a loan in less that 24 hours which was April 2th 2016 without any stress, i will forever be grateful to Mr Adams Ruben, for helping me get back on feet again. you can contact them via email: adamsrubenloanfirm01@gmail.com, they do not know Im doing this for them, but i just have to do it because a lot of people are out there who are in need of a loan assistance and they have been scammed like me please come to this company and be saved.Email:(adamsrubenloanfirm01@gmail.com)

Regards.

Posted by Braun Gerhard on 12/08/2016 at 4:34 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

We can agree that to some extent the coroner may be able to tell us who was high when they died. That and whatever burned, melted pill bottles turn up in the remains...God have mercy. We can only wait for answers.

To what extent did these departed folks use public assistance like food stamps to fund their rock-n-roll lifestyle? To what extent did Derick and his wife? I bet that hotel room where the kids were staying DURING the fire was paid for by Child Protective Services. Therefore by me the taxpayer while these two partied for months on end and FLY TO BALI ON VACATION. Can you say "depraved indifference"?

What i see is a lot of all play not much work. I can't help but wonder where is the big block of taxpayer funded government cheese which allows the mice to play and party while the rest if us work and obey the law?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:29 PM

Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

The lesson that responsible grown-ups need to enforce responsible and lawful behavior is utterly lost on Demotro Polis and his or her red fist. Next time you think about calling police...don't. Just stand right there and defend yourself with your little cartoon fist.

We need all those police AND all those firemen. Was there not enough money to pay for these employees? Let me tell you this...if a warehouse has an assessed value of 43k but that warehouse is worth 6k in rent every month with absolutely no improvements or upkeep then something is drastically wrong with the assessed value in the first place. And that is where the taxes come to pay, for example, firemen.

If the warehouse was being used as an apartment then back taxes should be paid for all the years of under-the-radar unzoned usage.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:14 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

I live on the East Coast in SC, I loved Green Day in my teens. I feel like there is an amazing culture of artists that I know nothing about. I am not artistically inclined, but I enjoy the products of those that are. I am the mother of a 20 year old son and a 17 year old daughter. I do not condone drugs, or rule breaking... but I have to say Wow! I wish there were a place for these guys to go.

I have been following this with a heavy heart since seeing the headline a few days ago. Perhaps, Oakland can come together, in order to preserve such a unique culture of individuals. I can't say that I understand how these guys live, but a small part of me wishes that I could!

These individuals seem like a family of their own. How wonderful to be accepted just because you are human, so sad that this resorted in catastrophe. Now as the "grown up" side of me comes back.... I think what was an older man at 47 thinking??? I know that the blame is not at just his feet and likely more complex than I can understand just by reading about this. But seriously... once you begin having your own children to support there does come a time when your life is more about watching your own children grow instead of forever throwing caution to the wind???

I wish peace to all that has been affected. Know that there are so many of us that truly appreciate talented people. I also believe that artistically inclined individuals need places for gatherings with other like minded people. I think that is the real question here... what is going to be done to help this community of young talented people? Forget drugs, raves, and everything else that I really can't speak about from here in small town America.. but I love the idea that there is a broader picture and I want my life to be enriched by the talents of others. I am a Medical Assistant in school for nursing, I can help others but if I had to sing or entertain the world would not be a better place. Good luck, Oakland! And all that you stand for

Posted by Patti Lynn Mallette on 12/08/2016 at 4:10 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Other particularly good arguments from Matthew Aaron Gerring and Mike Benedict. You going to follow up, Nick Miller / @nickmiller510 ?

BTW, Charles C. Eroster : wrong! https://www.google.com/search?q=here+here+vs+hear+hear

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/08/2016 at 4:09 PM

Re: “Housing Groups Slam Proposal to Redefine Affordable Housing in Oakland

How I Got Back On My Feet Again Through The Help Of A Reliable Loan Company

Am here to share my testimony of what a good trusted loan company did for me. My name is Harriet Lionel, from Houston United States and Im a lovely mother of 3 kids i lost my Job a couple of months ago 14th Jenaury precisely and things where so hard for me and my children, I went online to seek for a loan assistance and i fall into the hands of scammer, i was scam over $4,500.00 dollars, all my access where all gone, taken away from me. all hope was lost and i and my kids where sleeping in the street not until one faithful day when i met this friend of mine who recently secured a loan from ADAMS LOAN LIMITED. She introduced me to this honest company who helped me get a loan in less that 24 hours which was April 2th 2016 without any stress, i will forever be grateful to Mr Adams Ruben, for helping me get back on feet again. you can contact them via email: adamsrubenloanfirm01@gmail.com, they do not know Im doing this for them, but i just have to do it because a lot of people are out there who are in need of a loan assistance and they have been scammed like me please come to this company and be saved.Email:(adamsrubenloanfirm01@gmail.com)

Regards.

Posted by Braun Gerhard on 12/08/2016 at 4:08 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

EBX's editor, @nicmiller510 really needs to read through the comments here, such as LJ Schneider and Nick Bolla's and consider revising their position.

The "low-income creatives" who ran Satya Yuga are primarily to blame for the 36 deaths that resulted. They're the ones who created the hazard. Certainly officials and the owner and his daughter bear some responsibility too. But the creatives were able to furnish and build the amazing art that was in that place; they certainly could have made a small effort to address safety too.

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/08/2016 at 3:14 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

Hopelessly plugged ears and eyes with eyeshades.

This JohnNoMoniker is still unable to engage in a conversation without slurs. And now, ensuring safety and promoting maturity are "capitalistic" in nature and therefore wrong.

I guess he is the troll not to be feed...........

Posted by Michael Good on 12/08/2016 at 3:09 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

Mr. Good: To be honest, I still consider you a troll, just one that uses the loaded language of a very specific definition of "reason" to push a callous agenda - as evidenced by your comments on this thread and others. A current example: no, I cannot put up dozens of displaced friends in my small living quarters, I wish I could - I would rather they not be displaced immediately from their generally quite-safe current homes because their landlords looked the other way for MANY years with regard to zoning specifics. To suggest nothing else as recourse for them (many of whom are highly marginalized people who will likely end up homeless), and that this is implied as somehow an acceptable outcome, is callous and trollish. Especially when you consider that many of them are currently grieving the loss of loved ones and roomates.

That said, your trollishness is nothing conpared to the likes of Sar Wash above, who simulataneously sent his "prayers" out to the victims of the fire and called them fake artists who don't have "real jobs" (most of the artists I know work other jobs full time and are still poor here). These kinds of comments evidence zero comprehension of the type of collective culture that is under assault here, other than resentment towards it - probably because of its anticapitalist nature as much as anything else. You all should really stop trying to turn Oakland into Walnut Creek.

Posted by JohnNoMoniker on 12/08/2016 at 2:50 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Charles, I can understand why you might assume that, but I can tell you honestly and confidently that they weren't high. I knew many of these people and had gone to many shows with them. They would have been there for the music, not for drugs. The very good music that their friends and community members were putting on for them that night and the chance to be in the company of old and new friends was the draw for them. Just like it has been for me many nights, if I had known so many friends were showing up to this that would have been all the draw I needed to get myself out of the house and go see what everybody was working on and listening to. I'm not trying to claim that everybody who goes to music shows in the world is an angel, but these people specifically were genuinely some of the cleanest, kindest, hardest working and most decent people and artists you would ever meet.

I agree that Derick seems like a genuinely awful person, and I do blame him for setting up this space that my friends couldn't get out of. I think he was too myopic and self-obsessed to take the responsibility that too many good people unwittingly trusted him to have taken.

Posted by daniel mcanulty on 12/08/2016 at 2:27 PM

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