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Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

This article be like: OPD say hip-hop shows require more security (which costs money), also: whine.

Why doesn't this article address whether there is higher prevalence of violence/crimes at hip-hop shows? Is the data tainted because police unfairly target these shows or is the data unfavorable to the artcile's conceit?

It seems the police are claiming their research shows these events require more security so why isn't this central claim investigated? Isn't there someone who can speak to why the officers/department don't want to comment?

Only the comments provided some context as to why the police might do this besides discrimination (to what end?).

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Posted by Alfred Morgan on 04/29/2017 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

Yeah, Iam Rhiannon, Berkeley has a loophole. It sounds as if it's a bait and switch scam and it SHOULD be closed... But I'm not a resident of Berkeley. I AM a resident of Oakland. Do keep in mind, HUGE swaths of Berkeley's rental units are occupied by students. Yeah, they are residents, but are also... Transient. Here for a few years and then gone.

Oakland on the other hand, has a bread and circuses and temper tantrum mentality... If the populace can't demand other pay for what they want, they tie it up so thoroughly the developers go away and no one get's housing.

Witness the proposed construction for the MacArthur transit village... Potentially about 400 new housing unit are now completely stalled. Not because there isn't low income housing reserved, but what is reserved is all on the lower levels.

Do you think that encourages needed new development?

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/28/2017 at 8:56 PM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

Berkeley has a loophole in its condominium conversion ordinance that allows new high density rental housing to convert to condos as long as they do it before any units are rented. At least 90% of the projects approved as rentals in the past several years were never intended as rentals, and have been converted to condominiums. Most of these projects were granted a 35% density bonus in return for 5-10% below market rate rentals, but were not required to 1) put all units, low-income and market rate, on sale to the public; and 2) increase the percentage of moderate income units available. Instead they are being allowed to "condo" some while renting out the required below market rate units.

At least Oakland isn't that sneaky.

Posted by Iam Rhiannon on 04/28/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

As someone who works at live music venue, I can say that the increased security at hip-hop shows is necessary. Unfortunately, they are significantly more violent than the other shows we have and our security needs the police presence to ensure safety of people at work as well as other attendees. I also live blocks away from Karribean City and avoid that block when walking home after work because it has been a lightning rod for violence downtown. I want there to be hip hop shows, but something has to be done about the well documented violence that does occur at them.

Posted by John-Paul de Veer on 04/28/2017 at 11:58 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

The raves are "underground" and un-permitted (interesting phrase, that. It means NOT allowed). Certain elements scream "it's too hard to get permits". Might it be your observations of the problems associated with raves are why?

The violence at sporting events (Raider Nation anyone?) *tends* to be so successfully prosecuted as to deter outbreaks. When they do happen, it isn't large in scale, compared to the size of the crowd. No/little culture of "we don't snitch" in effect there.

Hip-hop/rap events in clubs on the other hand, live at the opposite end... A couple hundred or so in attendance with and almost guarantee of people shot and robbed with depressing regularity and "We don't snitch" is the chorus line.

As I said before, if the promoters/performers could/would self control the events... But they don't. The gangsta mystique IS the spice of the show.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/28/2017 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

A friend of mine was killed in a shooting outside of vinyl by a stray bullet. He had nothing to do with it and was playing a show next door at a different venue. That doesn't fit your narrative I guess but I'll never get my friend back. RIP Emilio.

Posted by vaxination on 04/27/2017 at 9:13 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

It's so easy to point at shootings that have occurred and say "We got to be safe," but meanwhile ignore the bigger picture. What about the illegal drugs and deaths stemming from raves? What about violence at 49ers' games? What about the violence at recent protests? Should we ban all forms of free speech or assembly if sometimes the outcomes are not what we'd hoped?

Posted by David Johnson-Igra on 04/27/2017 at 2:58 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

How many people have gotten into a scuffle at the Fox or Paramount or New Parish, gone to their car to retrieve a gun and then ended up shoot innocent people while trying to kill the person they fought with??? This is a complex issue.

Posted by Matt_Chambers on 04/27/2017 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

Oh, Ernest Montague, what happens when all the thousands of people you and others depend on (teachers, service workers--you probably like to buy a coffee or eat in a restaurant, right?--non-profit workers, culture workers, laborers, skilled blue collar, etc etc) can't afford to live here? Probably never crossed your mind. Glad to see at least YOU have benefited, which is really all that matters

Posted by Vincent Blafard on 04/27/2017 at 9:39 AM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

Supply and demand. Overpopulation.

For the foreseeable future, because of overpopulation, it will not be possible for working class Americans in the California Bay Area to own, or even rent, a home (as envisioned by most Americans, and as defined by Vincent J Cannato in "A Home of One's Own," and as was the case in the first half of the last century, before California's population passed the tipping point).

The "housing problem" will not be "resolved," even when we have millions living in usagi goya ("rabbit hutches").

Posted by Erik Kengaard on 04/27/2017 at 7:51 AM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

This article sure makes a mountain out of a mole hill. Even with the present laws its is actully very expensive and tricky to convert an apartment building into condos.

Posted by bill h on 04/27/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

It sucks, but when you hear of a shooting at a music show around here, it's almost always a rap show. Not blaming the music, not blaming the artists, and not supporting the removal of rap shows and venues from the Town. But this extra police scrutiny doesn't come out of nowhere, and advocates need to stop pretending that it does.

Posted by Max Chanowitz on 04/27/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

The City of Oakland has no legal nor moral mandate to accommodate everyone.

I lived in SF for years. I always wanted to buy a house there, but could never quite afford it. I moved to Oakland thirty years ago because I could afford a house here. That's life. It's not designed to make sure that all of us receive special treatment. If you can't afford Oakland, move. It didn't hurt me when I could not buy in SF. It was good for me.

Posted by Ernest Montague on 04/27/2017 at 7:32 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Perhaps the violence and aggressive behavior that seems to all too often show up at Rap events is a reason for not wanting them.

Posted by Ernest Montague on 04/27/2017 at 7:26 AM

Re: “Berkeley Police Basically MIA At Saturday's Violent Pro-Trump Vs. AntiFa Brawl

If you throw M80s at a dog in Berkeley, they would arrest you. Apparently, the berkley police think conservatives are not even dogs.

How the police are unable to stop 40 or so 150lb scrawny thugs from assaulting people is nothing short of shocking.

Is someone threw an m80 at you in the commission of a crime, you would have the right to defend yourself using whatever means you can.

It is assault, nothing less.

BTW, the police didn't search antifa. You can watch them march right threw the barriers without going through the checkpoints.

Posted by Jack Crow on 04/26/2017 at 9:09 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

There may have been no death threats in the case of hip-hop/rap events, but the narrative completely ignores the shootings and other crime that has accompanied such events. EBX itself documented such in the past years. See back issues.

The city is short resources to deal with what goes on here as just "normal wear and tear". If the promoters had managed to self control the problems in the past, just *MAYBE* the knee jerk reaction we're seeing *MIGHT* not be going on. But these problems are as much a part of the mystique as the music... Maybe the promoters don't want to keep it in hand.

And it seems even the venues themselves see these events as too much trouble... They don't see a reason to stand up for the promoters. What does that say?

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/26/2017 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Condominium Conversions in Oakland Displace Renters and Undermine Affordability, According to Tenants and Housing Experts

Even efforts to build new housing in Oakland will be met with NIMBYs screaming "it changes the Oakland I grew up in"... Effectively demanding no changes here while the entire state, as a desirable place to live and work, is flooded with new bodies.

I know... Take a page from Trumps book and build a wall! Yeah, right.

Now that the drug fever has passed, how about a real solution... Like building new units? Naaaa.... Never gonna happen. The bread and circuses crowd has learned how to VERY effectively block ANY new development unless they are able extort a piece of the action from the people who invested in blighted and largely dilapidated property in risky parts of town with the idea of actually having them be more than death traps. As Clarence C. Johnson said, it's called realizing the value of the investment.

Even those who bought 50 years ago are allowed to do that... Aren't they? No? why not? Explain it to me.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/26/2017 at 5:27 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Claerence you are close but missed the boat on this. Marduk was cancelled because a group made death threats on the employees and owners of the venue if Marduk were allowed to play there. This was based on allegations of them being nazi sympathizers, white supremacists, and having anti immigration beliefs.

From my understanding there were no death threats made in anticipation of the rappers concerts and it was more about people getting into fights, which happens at all kinds of places where large amounts of people are drinking and partying

Posted by Damien Starr on 04/26/2017 at 1:52 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Interesting how this article complete leaves out how the Swedish heavy-metal band Marduk, had to recently cancel their show. I guess this doesnt fit in with the author's narrative?

Posted by Clarence C. Johnson on 04/26/2017 at 12:16 PM

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