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Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

Your opinion piece reads as if it were weighing both sides of the issue, and then decides that we should put our differences aside and move forward together. However, I think this piece is more about you than about any movement of people.

When you, as a rich college educated liberal/progressive white man, quote from four college educated men, two of them white, yet no women or trans people of any race or class, you are showing that you dont pay much attention to your city: you are yourself living in the rarefied white upper class liberal/progressive bay area bubble, within the bay area bubble we all live in.

The bay area, probably more than anywhere, is already at the intersection of race and economic (in)justice and gender. There are so many people experiencing that intersection and struggling in it and organizing around it.

To visit the example you use, "discrimination faced by Hispanic people in the Bay Area is quite different than that experienced by the transgender community." You dont seem to realize that there are many trans Latinix/Chican@ people within the bay area Hispanic and transgender communities. Do you think all trans people are white, and all Latinix/Chican@ are straight and cisgendered? What about Taja DeJesus, killed in SF last year? Which of your binary oppressions did she experience? Poor? Latina? Transgendered?

Thats one person, but if you were in touch with the bay area I live in you would know that intersectionality obviously includes economic justice for all.

"A deep fear exists among those [white people] who are being left behind economically. If the left dismisses their suffering, they're going to flee just like how once Barack Obama voters abandoned Clinton"

POC and white working class voters alike didnt turn out enthusiastically for Clinton. If you have a economically elitist neo-liberal candidate who gives lip service to POC while supporting horrifying deportation policies and war against POC in the middle east do you think many from the identity politics world OR the economy-concerned white working class would be enthusiastic about her?

"Helpfully, most debaters agree that it is risky to emphasize the distinctions in the 99 Percent. When we make differences primary, people without power are not going to progress, and the dominance of the One Percent will persevere. The only way forward is through a solidarity of the non-elite. It must be a solidarity for a common good, not of "my identity against yours." "

Actually, when you promote utopian, color blind all of us together against the real enemy of the 1% ideas, you make it harder for white people to do the work of acknowledging the systematic racism and white privilege that comes from founding a country on genocide and slavery and that must be addressed before there can be justice, economic or otherwise for anyone.

Im guessing that you may have formed some of your ideas about race during the 80s or 90s when color blindness was in vogue. Thats not where we are anymore. Acknowledging differences is productive and necessary, and choosing to work together across those differences is harder but more effective than pretending they pale in comparison to the difference between us and the 1%. *

Im a 33 year old white man who works a minimum wage job.

I dont have a high school diploma and I didnt go to college. If I can figure out what intersectionality is, you can too.

* I have a feeling that as an owner of a newspaper, a businessman and a lawyer, you are a member of the 1% yourself. Feel free to leave this part out if you print this. But keep in mind that you might not want to be speaking on behalf of the 99%

Posted by Steve Schmidt on 12/05/2016 at 4:14 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

You have to consider that those same working class whites in middle America who voted for Obama twice, rejected Hillary and went for Trump. That means that Clinton did not do a good enough job connecting with those folks even though she is one of them. Her lack of attention in this area of the country reinforced the notion of the liberal elites on the coast. In addition, I don't believe that many really wanted a woman, at least not Clinton. The whole FBI Director email stunt one week before the election was significant and a signal that the "guys" were not really feeling a women as commander in chief. What is more disturbing is Trumps populist mantra that somehow we are being over run by immigrant outsiders and that they are the reason for "your" money problem that is really caused by technology and the shift to a world economy. If you saw 60 minutes last night, you saw film of Mussolini spouting the same fascist nationalistic garbage. There is actually tape of Mussolini saying that he would make Italy great again. What progressives have to address is the notion by the white working class that making room at the table for immigrants means less for them, despite the fact that America has always had room at the table for others.

Posted by Gary Patton on 12/05/2016 at 7:08 AM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

From "Market Watch":
Trump is fattening the bank accounts of the elite, but he also may have saved 1,000 jobs at Carrier... on President Barack Obamas watch the U.S. economy generated 8.6 million net new jobs equal to 2,945, or about three Carrier deals, every day, including Sundays, for going on eight consecutive years. And who can forget all of those patriotic Republicans congratulating Obama for that?

Posted by Terra Wilson-Kaysser on 12/04/2016 at 10:51 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

For the people who said the Republican's obstructed Obama, what was accomplished in the years that the Democrats did hold all 3 branches? There were many campaign promises during his "Hope" tour that didn't materialized (I'm looking at you Gitmo).

Also consider this and ask yourself, why did the Democrats lose the House and then Senate? Was his accomplishments so great that people rallied to still vote Democrat?

Posted by Robert Hope on 12/04/2016 at 5:53 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

The left has rescued this country so many times from the right (I mean the wrong): Great Depression, Reaganomics, random wars. Really? You think Obama was given a chance to govern? No way. The friggin', selfish, manipulative, cheating, war-mongering republicans (cap left off purposely -- they don't deserve one) wouldn't give Obama an inch. Obama succeeded, as well as he could, with the obstructionist congress that he had. Trump supporters: a basket of deplorables, that we are ALL now riding in, to hell. Don't believe me? Look at his cabinet choices: a bigoted fake news chairman as senior counselor, corporate raiders for treasury, a previously fired general for national security, a climate denier for EPA, a billionaire charter school proponent for education, "It's fun to shoot people" secretary of defense, not to mention the many conflicts of interest of his business dealings. What a mess. Leave it to the left to rescue again. Only this time, the lefts will be way left of center. No more trying to meet the right half-way. There will be such a negative reaction to Trump and his extreme-right policies -- there will be a Bernie Revolution!

Posted by Terra Wilson-Kaysser on 12/01/2016 at 10:16 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

During the campaign I really didn't get it when Trump yelled "I love the poorly educated"...I believe this group was not offended but rather elated that someone was listening...Are YOU listening Liberals?? We are they and they are we....
Great article Jay!

Posted by Terry Brown on 11/30/2016 at 4:09 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups. It is a bit much for someone to say they are 99% when so many people don't agree. Trump spoke to many who don't agree with those who say they are 99% and those who are identified as 1%. The Progressives math is wrong and so many know it.

Posted by James A. Hudkins 1 on 11/30/2016 at 3:21 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

You might have given Obama a chance but the Republicans in Congress NEVER did.

Posted by Wilson Riles on 11/30/2016 at 2:46 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

In a way you are pissing on a wall. Give Trump a chance. We gave Obama a HUGE chance and he blew it with his perverted ideology that has little to do with the USA, and more with his muslim upbringing. Obama didn't even help his brothers who need help desperately! So, let's give Trump a chance and not be so wussily put off because he is a big mouthed New Yorker and richer than the rest of us. He is also a patriot, and maybe it is time for lefties in the East Bay, anywhere, to stop categorizing patriots as some kind of bigot? Maybe it's the other guys who are the bigots? It often seems that way! Let's give this gigantic and irrefutable swing to the right a fair trial period, before we decide we can see into the future.

Posted by Ken White on 11/30/2016 at 1:12 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

US/Western Culture is again channeling our perceptions, wrongly, into an either-or paradigm. Reality is multidimensional and multi-causal. US political issues are about BOTH-AND race and class and they are largely inseparable. Bernie Sanders makes the same mistake that socialists and folks on the left have frequently made: that class is more important than race or "identity politics." He wants to draw us into a class struggle within and to reform the Democrat Party. This is a historically proven mistake and a waste of energy. Read "The Miner's Canary" for examples of how to form successful coalitions across lines of both race and class.

Posted by Wilson Riles on 11/30/2016 at 1:11 PM

Re: “On Class, Race, Culture and the Anti-Trump Movement

More than anything, the election illustrates fragmentation. The "them's" are large and many; The "us" is small and few.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 11/29/2016 at 7:04 PM

Re: “How CalSTRS Investments Influenced Workers to Vote for Donald Trump

Thanks, Ambierce Brose, for the Comment.

If they really believe that folks there are fine with the effects on their towns of "Corporate Governance" investing, maybe CalSTRS board and staff should travel to Canton and to Wisconsin and have a meeting with those affected. Isn't that want Responsible people would do?

Jay Youngdahl

Posted by Jay Youngdahl 1 on 11/18/2016 at 9:36 AM

Re: “How CalSTRS Investments Influenced Workers to Vote for Donald Trump

While the actions of CalSTRS are interesting, the leap from that to voting for Trump is tenuous.

This article implies that after the actions of CalSTRS, Relational and Timken resulted in the splitting of the family owned Timken into separate companies that somehow a "disaster" resulted. But TimkenSteel is still in Canton, still producing, and still part of the community. They had a couple of layoffs, in part because the downturn in oil drilling (yeah!) resulted in less demand, but I'd love to see some proof of the other effects. The NYT article is great, and two years old. Perhaps some fact checking on recent events is in order.

In fact Timken and some of its employees, like Trump, place blame on regulation and imports for their sluggish performance. I'd expect that antipathy towards trade agreements and regulation played a large role; CalSTRS role seems minimal.

Posted by Ambierce Brose on 11/17/2016 at 11:51 AM

Re: “How CalSTRS Investments Influenced Workers to Vote for Donald Trump

This is a must-read. Thanks.

Posted by Tony Daysog on 11/16/2016 at 5:28 PM

Re: “How CalSTRS Investments Influenced Workers to Vote for Donald Trump

This kind of information doesn't seem to get enough media coverage! What will it take for the common people, those who are not aware of the underlying issues that's causing the devastation of a declining country! It's REALLY SCARY! How can the average person, without the knowledge, effectively make good decisions? When everything seems to be for the Elites, the power of MONEY! The political systems, where we're suppose to have power, is antiquated, needs changing, just look what's happened to this election, the people spoke, but the people's choice was denied!

Posted by Joyce Jenkins on 11/16/2016 at 9:16 AM

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