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Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

What a great article that says it all. All you left out was the example of how Paula Dean appropriated recipes, and labor and a false identity to create her empire.

I've been saying it for years.....The U. S. has been held hostage, to the collective juvenile ego of American white people while they've been learning how to cook. Yes that's what we've been witness to....white people learning to cook. (Remember before this 'movement', white households ate, canned foods and frozen dinners.)

Yes, white people learning about food from growing it to preparing it; white people learning about spices and how they flavor and enhance meats and vegetables, white people discovering the foods of other cultures...oh I could go on, but the thing that gets me, is how the white mind, in it's inherent arrogance, now wishes to proclaim it's supremacy in the realm of food growing and cooking ~ When in fact, they are the last participant to the party. They are just now learning things, that Black, Latino, and Asian, and native indigenous people have KNOWN FOREVER...

Yet as always...they appropriate, and then create systems of hierarchy, awarding prizes, titles and fame upon themselves for things the learned from others ( IE: All the food and cooking networks and popular TV type cook-off programs TV).

The last element in their game is the commercializing of food and cooking. Exploiting it for profit. Food ...people !!! Earth's ultimate givingness. Nutrition, fuel, emotional fulfillment for the bodies of Earth's animals - 4 and 2 legged. Talking heads in the industry give us ridiculous creative labeling on menus and at Farmer's Markets about the source of a bean. And foodies spout off these descriptions and name-drop them like a designer label groupie.

These new to the kitchen, white chefs/cooks - professional and at home ~ never realize the fools that they look like to all the rest of humanity. Like the awkward child/man on the old Mad TV show, that demanded attention, as he spastically jumped up and down, crying out, "Look what I can do!!"

We, who bear the knowledge in our genes, souls and family legacies just shake our heads, and roll our eyes while we add a pinch and retreat to the memory of the way Grandma prepared it, ....as we just 'stir on'....

Posted by Liz Lee on 08/25/2016 at 12:39 AM
Posted by Marísa Mendoza on 08/24/2016 at 7:23 PM

Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

Why is it on the restaurants to ask themselves why they're doing what they're doing? As long as they aren't explicitly selling themselves as something they are not, I don't see the problem.

I would love to see restaurants come together and discuss with each other and the community these types of issues, rather than grapple with them on an intimate level.

If the consumers are supporting restaurants that sell a veneer of authenticity, culture, and diversity, that's our collective responsibility to be more mindful and investigative in our consumption.

Posted by Timothy Ng on 08/24/2016 at 5:52 PM

Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

Thanks, Luke. No easy answers here but humanity.

Posted by Jono Schneider on 08/24/2016 at 5:32 PM

Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

What a perfectly complex subject for the Oakland community to debate! As a white male who loves all food from all cultures, I am already a customer of both the hole in the wall ethnic spots & places like Penrose. I love them all & I hope our community can strike the right balance to ensure all can make a decent living & keep all those good eats coming!

Posted by andrewdeangelo on 08/24/2016 at 2:35 PM

Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

To echo Cho, my biggest beef is when a restaurant uses ethnic ingredients and then declares whatever final dish they made with it as belonging to that ethnic group. Anything made with gochujang, or marinated in a mix of soy sauce/sugar, is not suddenly Korean.

This is definitely a class/education issue that goes hand in hand with eating local and "clean" ingredients. I can't hate on it though. These upscale establishments lend a level of transparency to where their ingredients come from that makes diners feel safe and seemingly justifies the higher prices. Atmosphere while dining also makes a difference. Sometimes it's just nicer kitchenware and furniture. Other times its the diner feeling like an odd duck because they're not the ethnicity of the cuisine or cannot speak the language of their server/fellow diners. There's a level of comfort in atmosphere and dining with the familiar, whether that is ingredients, language, etc.

Posted by Alexis Davidson on 08/24/2016 at 12:07 PM

Re: “Cooking Other People's Food: How Chefs Appropriate Bay Area 'Ethnic' Cuisine

What's as remarkable as how many white people are making upscale ethnic food is how many people of color are making it, too. Feel like this is as much a race issue as a class/education issue. Also how come soul food is roundly ignored in this article?

Posted by Fremont on 08/23/2016 at 8:19 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

Everybody is crying racism, but nobody knows the meaning of the word. First off, let's be honest. Yuvette Henderson was packing and tried to carjack three, yes three cars as she ran from Emeryville police, then pointed her piece at the cops. The issue here isn't police racism, it's why we live in society that promotes lawlessness, promotes violence, and doesn't give a helping hand to raise people out of lives of crime and violence.

Posted by Andrew Stevenson on 08/20/2016 at 8:47 AM

Re: “About the Data: What Our Reporters Analyzed to Learn About Officer-Involved Killings in Oakland

Hmmm... 4 shot Wednesday night on the 1100 block of Mandela Parkway. OPD didn't do it, so EBX doesn't care. Odd.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 08/19/2016 at 8:03 AM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

From John Iversen, Berkeley. Sadly the most ignored fact anywhere has been reported by the Guardian. Native people are killed at a rate 50% higher than blacks by police: 5.4 million to 3.6 million per capita. We are ignored, hidden away in rural areas with no TV cameras or even newspapers to report the murders. I am waiting on Color of Change or another POC group to do something for native people. NATIVE LIVES MATTER! LEONARD'S LIFE MATTERS! This is why I urge readers to support Nanci-Armstrong-Temple. Darryl Moore has become a tool of big $$ developers, abstained on a clemency for Peltier resolution, and has become the Mary Wainwright he once defeated. And don't get me started on his personal life! I am no angel and neither is he! John Iversen

Posted by John Tango Iversen on 08/18/2016 at 5:17 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

Mr. Davidzon that fact that you fear for your life every time you walk out your door is not a police issue it is a society issue. When society decides that enough is enough they will rise up against the criminal element and in conjunction with police efforts make neighborhoods safe again. To sit here and say that you would be ok with more police officer deaths so the criminal element will be better protected is ludicrous. When the police do something wrong they must be held accountable, no doubt, but when a citizen does something wrong, they need to be held accountable as well. The tax payers hired Police Officers to do a job they can't or won't do. When they do the job hired to do, which, at times can be violent, the tax payers don't want to support them, because it is not he politically correct thing to do. Mr. Davidzon, I am sorry that you feel threatened by police pressence, however, I am willing to bet that if you don't do anything wrong, you won't have to worry about being stopped.

Posted by Charles Johnson III on 08/18/2016 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

The NRA and gun manufactuers and their investors love it when the civilian and police body count rises. 2016 Orlando and Dallas massacres led to surges in gun stocks. A beautiful day for captialism can be a sad day for humanity. They hope we stay focused on blaming the police or blaming the poor and mentally ill, they need us to remain distraced from root cause as long as possible.

Posted by Vince Rubino on 08/18/2016 at 12:40 AM

Re: “About the Data: What Our Reporters Analyzed to Learn About Officer-Involved Killings in Oakland

Are you sure of your data from fatalencounters.com? That web site doesn't exist. fatalencounters.org does however.

I'm no apologist for OPD. Sloppy errors like this in your article hurt your credibility and believability.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 08/17/2016 at 10:55 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

The police are here to protect and serve. I won't waste words or my own time explaining why blaming the victim is wrong, or why I don't want to have to change my underwear if I am pulled over. What I will say, is that a lot of these "crimes" are not punishable by death. Yes, there are a lot of weapons on the streets. Yes, the OPOA has too much unbridled power. Yes, there are violent criminals on the streets RIGHT NOW. But the last time I checked, the is NOT Judge Dredd, and everybody does not need to die. Police trust is at an all time low. In part because they won't admit when they see their own colleagues behaving badly or even illegally. Accountability, and real consequences. A force the looks like it's community, and strong, consistent leadership, unswayed by political motivations are what's needed in Oakland.

Posted by Michael A. Munson on 08/17/2016 at 8:56 PM

Re: “About the Data: What Our Reporters Analyzed to Learn About Officer-Involved Killings in Oakland

@Matt Chambers - The crimes committed were not done on taxpayer dime, which is what makes police shootings radically different. The employer has the right and responsibility to say "you will do the job in this specific way, and you will accept this additional amount of risk to your life. Don't want the risk? Don't take the job and the paycheck".

Police officers are just hired blue-collar help. They can be replaced, fired and otherwise treated just like any other blue-collar employee doing any other job. This is America and we do capitalism here.

Posted by Vladislav Davidzon on 08/17/2016 at 8:45 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

Provocative headline with what intent? There have been 45+ victims of gun violence thus far this year in Oakland. What are you doing to disarm the perpetrators of those murders? Your article foments fear and hatred of the police, resulting in many more people naively arming themselves for the illusion of security that brings. And then, with a steel phallus, in the heat of a dispute, another life, or two or four are taken. #gunstheweaponofcowardsandbuffoons

Posted by Kathleen Lopes on 08/17/2016 at 2:46 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

Why would any sane taxpayer resist calls to push to get more service out of our cops or any public servant for the same money?

Do you offer to pay 3x more for your groceries or to your barber when they give you the bill?

Bewildering. Any and all pressure on our public servants is a great thing!

Cops are blue collar workers who are easily replaceable. There is zero reason why we cannot push them to deliver more and higher quality service even if it means a higher risk to their lives.

I am white and fairly wealthy. The fact that I fear for my life every time I get pulled over means something is very, very broken with our policing. Their fear of their own shadows combined with absurd union protection is absurd. The fact that they are failing to actually deliver safety at the same time and actually suppress crime is ridiculous.

Taxpayers deserve more and better service.

Posted by Vladislav Davidzon on 08/17/2016 at 2:42 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

African Americans shot and killed by police over the past 16.5 years average about 3.2 per year.
Average African American homicide victims per year over the past 16.5 years, over 75, (based on a average of over 100 total homicides per per year in Oakland over the past 17 years)
Of course some of those 3.2 officer involved shootings are entirely justified.
Or is someone suggesting that more than 1 each year of the 3.2 is completely unjustified?
So lets see... maximum, 1 possible unjustified police shooting homicide per year of a black citizen.
Compared to the huge problem of 75 African American homicide victims year after year, business as usual, on the streets over the past decades.

Hmm... Where shall we focus our attention and extensive statistical analysis of the danger?

Posted by Dan de'Data on 08/17/2016 at 2:16 PM

Re: “About the Data: What Our Reporters Analyzed to Learn About Officer-Involved Killings in Oakland

Investigate why it is that the Oakland City Council won't get the money from Wells Fargo to end homelessness, poverty and unemployment in Oakland?
If the city didn't intend for Wells Fargo to fix the problems that predatory lending has created, then why did they take them to court in the first place??
For the answer to the question read my Facebook pages titled,
Real Estate Crisis or Government Sanctioned Racketeering?

Posted by Allen Sanford on 08/17/2016 at 2:13 PM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

90 in 17 years? and they were all saints for sure. How about a report on how many blacks killed by other blacks?

Posted by Riley C on 08/17/2016 at 12:52 PM

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