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Re: “Oakland to Vote on $350 Million Public Subsidy for New $1.3 Billion Raiders Stadium This Tuesday

Schaaf came into office insisting no public money for a stadium. Now she offers the spoiled owner of the Raiders public money. She wants the City to pour one or two hundred million dollars into bonds that would be repaid by anticipated tax revenues from development. These tax revenues should support and normally would support City services -- but here they would be diverted into paying off bonds that built stuff of benefit to the Raiders owner. Schaaf lies.

Posted by Charlie Pine on 12/10/2016 at 11:27 AM

Re: “Oakland to Vote on $350 Million Public Subsidy for New $1.3 Billion Raiders Stadium This Tuesday

Wait... The city doesn't have enough money to staff basic things like fire and building inspectors, but thinks there is money for this? WTF?!?! Screw that! Raiders go away!

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 12/10/2016 at 10:34 AM

Re: “Oakland to Vote on $350 Million Public Subsidy for New $1.3 Billion Raiders Stadium This Tuesday

No, no, no! Football is not a sport. It's a glorified method by which society promotes the ongoing creation of traumatic brain injuries. There are so many better ways to spend that money.

Posted by Cyrus 1 on 12/10/2016 at 9:41 AM

Re: “Oakland to Vote on $350 Million Public Subsidy for New $1.3 Billion Raiders Stadium This Tuesday

"Skin in the game" means nothing other than the assumption of financial risk by the citizens of Oakland. Oakland citizens have been here before because of the fantasies of electeds.

Oakland electeds love to hire consultants to cover their behinds. It seems to me with hundreds of millions of public dollars at stake the feedback from an independent financial consultant might be very useful as to the precise nature of the financial risks to us as a city.

In general sports arenas have not turned out to be of significant financial benefit to cities. This is important in light of the many shortcomings in Oakland regarding public safety due to lack of adequate resources. Homicides and deadly fires come to mind.

Posted by Hobart Johnson on 12/10/2016 at 7:14 AM

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Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Peter Wadsworth--the only one of the 36 victims who also lived there--was described as an "entreprenuer." I guess there is a pretty low standard for this word in the Bay Area...he apparently had nothing but a nascient business idea for cannibis salsa and he was living in this cheap illegal flophouse.

How did this "genius" actually make a living to support his rock and roll lifestyle? Where did his funds come from?

I have read eveything I can find on this tragedy...trying to follow the money...looking for actual fiscal clues to the funding of these rock and roll lifestyles amid blah blah blah "tributes." What is important remains hudden...the money trail that made these unproductive artsy party lifestyles work.

Many of the victims were students...more public money. Loans to make them productive and tax paying citizens. Loans that will never get paid. No federal student loans or grants should ever go for useless majors like "communications." These are disguised arts grants and social welfare. These are student loans that pay for four years of partying.

The people who were DJ's that night...are we supposed to believe those jobs were enough to SUPPORT them?

No. Look for other fund sources such as stamps...unemployment insurance...Section 8.

The rent Derick collected...document every penny of where it went.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/10/2016 at 3:59 AM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Charles seems like a total troll. Seems like he judges these victims without any real knowledge. jumping to all kinds of conclusions. there is a special place for know it all a-holes like him. He has shown who his is.

Posted by Andy Kleiber on 12/09/2016 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Charles, have you read any of the many memorial articles about the victims?A clarinet teacher, a computer science graduate, radio Djs, a choir singing sheriff's deputy's son, a conservation trust worker, a mortuary employee, a Shazam employee, a classical pianist, a community organizer, a sound engineer, a filmmaker, a psychology grad student, school teacher, art therapist, a DJ, , an MIT grad lawyer, and several artists and musicians. I haven't read all of the obits, but i suspect the list of "real jobs" and accomplishments would grow. It's possible to get your point across without maligning the dead.

Posted by jesse jane on 12/09/2016 at 7:37 PM

Re: “Oakland to Vote on $350 Million Public Subsidy for New $1.3 Billion Raiders Stadium This Tuesday

Let's be clear. The actual subsidy is $445 million. $350 million plus the $95 million for Mount Davis. And then we need to look at the Bay Bridge, who Libby Schaaf's mentor Jerry Brown turned into an economic train wreck. We could have had a simple viaduct for $1.3 billion that turned into $6.4 billion.… If the stadium is started and comes up short on money who will be left holding the bag? The City of Oakland will have no choice but to add money to complete the project. What was once a $445 million subsidy will become ?????

Posted by Ralph Kanz on 12/09/2016 at 6:47 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

I can think of jazz musician Louis Armstrong who worked shoveling filthy coal in New Orleans in a cart pulled by a mule...he played clubs on the weekends and at night. He worked. Worked his butt off to support himself and create an opportunity to make music.

Be an artist as much as you like..but why should society support your lazy butt with disability payments you don't deserve....with food stamps to buy steak while working people pay wages to buy pasta?

Plenty of people work responsibily while trying to also be artists. They don't live in illegal spaces full of drugs...they don't lie to get free money from the givernment...they don't collect money to pay for needed fixes and then party in Bali.

Name them. One by one. And explain how they paid for their rock-n-roll lifestyle.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 6:04 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

See recent LA Times article about this fire and eviction Joy Newhart. Lived in a different illegal artsy warehouse in Bay Area....article says she lives "solely" on $1200 in disability payments monthly...but she is a "video choreographer" or some crap.

How do you afford your rock and roll lifestyle?

List each of the 35 adult victims....and determine that question. Follow the money.

How did they afford their rock and roll lifestyle?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 5:09 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

What needs to happen is a Non-profit needs to be started to help fund spaces for living that are low cost. Obviously HUD isn't doing it's job properly, or is just plain overwhelmed. We need places like Habitat for Humanity to build a large facility with many rooms that are safe for this sort of practice / living / performance venues. I have thought about many building designs that are fire-safe venues for this activity. Some hotels are actually perfect venues for this sort of thing with a common area with many rooms surrounding it. Warehouses that are converted are also good but should be required to bring plumbing and wiring up to code.

Posted by Andy Despres on 12/09/2016 at 5:01 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

It is a wild accusation to suggest Child Protective Services--which had been at the warehouse recently--may have been paying for the hotel room where those children were safe the night of the party?

It is a wild accucation to suggest this fanatically self-centered narcissist Derick Almeda probably took money from whatever source he could? Which could include foood stamps? Unemployment insurance? Certainly the earned income credit with three kids!!!

It is a wild accusation to say Derick and his wife likely weren't officially reporting all their income? When there are people saying they grew pot and partied in Bali? So here i am like...they probably didn't, er, report all their income?

Given the spectacular hoarding and the it wild to suggest Derick is bipolar? And if he is bipolar....he probably tries to get SSI? Get a fat monthly check?

THE FACT THAT THESE ARTSY VICTIMS of their own bad lifestyle choices suck off public assistance to party all day is actually one of the most pressing and nationally relevant aspects of this story...and none of it is wild or off base. This is how it works. This is how you fund artsy bumhood.

This is how you afford a rock-n-roll lifestyle. Taxpayers underwrite all of it. You don't want this topic to get traction...the whole national arts "scene" lives off social welfare intended for people who NEED it but it funds bums who want to party and avoid real work.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 4:59 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

>>The NYT is ... even asking the public to suggest avenues of investigation.
>>I found this when I followed up:

Thanks! I've contacted them.

Eroster: your diatribes and wild accusations distract from the hard facts that incriminate Mr Almena.

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/09/2016 at 4:10 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

To all the people in these comments so callously disparaging the artists, the dead, the warehouse spaces, the partiers, etc as being immature children scared of the "Real World":

Just because you yourself don't understand the value of local art and art spaces, it doesn't mean it's not meaningful and important.

Think of your favorite musician. They could have started their career in an art-house just like Ghostship or the dozens of others here in the Town, and squares just like you probably mocked them endlessly: "Stop pursuing this childish music stuff and get a real job!" Thank god they didn't listen.

Don't drag us all down to your level of banality. Go back to the suburbs if you want a predictable, "sensible" lifestyle where everyone has a "grown-up" job, a cubicle, a white picket fence, a two-car garage, a nice big TV to watch the football game. You keep working on the GDP, we'll keep making music and art that brings people joy. Both are important.

Posted by Max Chanowitz on 12/09/2016 at 3:29 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

It is so haaaaard to "survive" and be an artist without stealing water and electricity and getting free food, free Obama phone, free medical care...

Art is not a neccessity. Like FIREMEN are a neccessity. Was a GROWN UP not in charge at the mayor's office? How were they short 92 firemen...short of building inspectors....the building literally didn't appear in the inspection database for fire inspections.

Yet complaints including fire safety complaints were made. Were these complaints buried to protect the precious fringe artists and the "scene?" Even at the level of city officials and inspectors...where were the GROWN UPS??!!

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 1:40 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

People who suck the tit of the system and don't want to work but would rather play and be intoxicated all day at taxpayer expense.... people who lack gratitude and humility and buy expensive foods with food stamps and laugh about how they are getting over...these are the bad examples who make taxpayers think that social welfare programs just fund irresponsible lifestyle choices and they are reluctant to fund these.

Not one voice in these many threads has so far stood up and DENIED my assertion that Derick Almena and his wife probably played the system and collected social many of the 35 adults who died were collecting SSI and food stamps and Section 8 and LET US NOT FORGET unemployment insurance benefits.

Ooooh. I am looking so hard for a real job. But first....RAVE PARTY!!!!

How were those three kids at a hotel the night of the fire??? CPS was probably footing the bill. One way or another, taxpayers have been funding these parties and "artists" and bad lifestyle choices since the Lyndon B. Johnson administration.

And the very people in the system whose job it is to be grownups and crack down on stupidity kept looking the other way. Tolerance of bad lifestyle choices and funding those choices permeated the whole system.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/09/2016 at 1:10 PM

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Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

post by Mike Benedict on 12/07/2016 at 1:12 PM -(above) should be the editorial. Well said.

Posted by Tom Gan on 12/09/2016 at 1:06 PM

Re: “NBC Paid for Ghost Ship Operator Derick Almena's Hotel Room During Exclusive Interview

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