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Re: “Couple In Charge of Ghost Ship Lost Kids to Child Protective Services While Living in Oakland Warehouse

Can't we accept this tragic accident as such.? Quit trying to blame name etc.let's look to see what we can do to avoid an outcome like this.god bless peace out

Posted by Breanna Ellison on 12/06/2016 at 5:20 AM

Re: “Operator of 'Ghost Ship' Lived Inside Site of Oakland Warehouse Fire with Wife, Children, Was on Probation

If other artist spaces get red-tagged over this (which they shouldn't as this was an egregious mess) that will be Derick's fault too, along with all of the deaths. He knew it was unsafe and he made it obvious that he didn't care. And, of course, he got out. Unlike 36 other people who he was only too glad to take advantage of. Derick, if this is you, you should STFU. If this isn't Derick, you should also STFU. There is no justification for throwing a public party in that kind of space. You want to let your friends burn up in your house, that's between you and them. But as soon as you become a public space - even as an underground - that's different.

Posted by Bunny Watson on 12/06/2016 at 4:24 AM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

I'm sorry, but there's absolutely no excuse for this. If you want to be an artist and live on your own in a dangerous warehouse illegally modified for live/work purposes, then fine. But the moment you have your kids live there, or start renting uninhabitable and unsafe living space to others, or start holding paid events for tens or hundreds of people, then you are endangering people, and whether you profited or not, that's absolutely criminal. Just because you're a "starving artist," which doesn't seem to be the case with almena, doesn't give you license to endanger other human beings.

And let's be clear here, the promoters and performers at these events are also liable, even if they're performing for free, it's criminal to have the public see your show at a thoroughly unsafe space. If they hadn't been there before, they should have just cancelled when they saw how unsafe it was. I remember going to a warehouse party in SF in the early 90's, where there was a second floor accessable by a wooden ladder, and I said to my friends: I'm not going up there, how the hell do you get down if there's a problem? Some of my friends went up anyway, nothing happened of course, but still promoters and performers should know better and bear responsibility.

Furthermore, the city's negligence on this matter is inexcusable.

Posted by Damian C on 12/06/2016 at 1:32 AM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

Original reddit post unedited: http://howldb.com/p/oakland-fire-survivor-writes-harrowing-account-about-how-he-escaped-on-reddit-daily-mail-0rf4py

Posted by Terese Iaquinta on 12/06/2016 at 1:15 AM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

The skipped (or I missed it) the beginning of his original post where he said there was someone telling people to stay upstairs. Clearly evacuation was needed but someone instructed people not to evacuate. This is an important part of the situation. Needs to be told.

Posted by Terese Iaquinta on 12/06/2016 at 1:12 AM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

There's a great deal of interesting comments present. However, even at a time like this, the old adage applies: "opinions are like A"& H%&!*...everybody's got one..." Listen, folks, at the end of the day two things are black and white (no pun intended with the particular political climate we are in currently). 1. reality suggests various forms of greed was holistically very much present within the composition of not only this "urban, cultural, underground safe space", but many others where you would not expect to find it, even when humbled by the presence of such pure, creative and minimalist guests. 2. Attorneys hired by victims' families will cast a "wide" net of financial liability, based on black and white "real responsibilty", according to laws we all must live by. The fire was gender, color, religious, cultural, social-blind. So too will be personal injury/death, etc. law, once applied.

Without further ado, and as another old adage dictates: "follow the money.....", cause that's what the lawyers are doing yesterday for the victims' families, as well as the building owners, tenants, city and county officials, etc. running for cover. Only difference in the immediate aforementioned is acquirement and protection of assets.

Tectonic Tom

Posted by senior swami on 12/06/2016 at 1:12 AM

Re: “'I'm Going To Get My Gun': Event Organizers at Ghost Ship Accused Derick Almena of Theft, Threats

its about what can be expected in a situation like that. Maybe this guy isn't a saint but if your running a 'business' or a 'counter culture' center that caters to financially challenged and unemployed aspiring artists then your going to also get alot of low class types that are just there to take advantage of the situation, then what are you supposed to do? be the 'pig' that's always bitching and a stik in the mud, no one in that scene wants to be the 'man' or the authority, everyone wants to be the cool , laid bakc dude. so the rest of these characers who decided to party in such a place all night KNOW the risks, they know situations like this have ended in chaos. now everyone is just pointing fingers at the 'bad guy', what was he supposed to do? He wasn't one of the people 'living' there illegally.

Posted by Sam Khoury on 12/06/2016 at 12:40 AM

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