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Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

Mr Eroster I assume your economic calculation is correct but remember due to Prop 13 that is irrelevant . Just determine the assessed
value when acquired and the most it can be increased is 2% a year. This under assessment of commercial property is the cause of many of our City's financial problems.

Posted by ed gerber on 12/08/2016 at 6:28 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

In 1997 or thereabouts Martin Pang burned down his (adoptive) parents' warehouse because he wanted even more money to support his playboy lifestyle and four Seattle firemen died when they fell through the roof. Actually....Pang hired an arsonist. He had no DIY ethic.

Pang fled to Brazil. Brazil extradited him but not without a benefit to Pang of reduction in sentence...no more years than what was possible under Brazilian law. So it was certainly worth the effort to flee.

If Pang could have gotten a Brazilian woman pregnant HE NEVER WOULD HAVE FACED EXTRADITION.

Evidence of manslaughter is overwhelming here... lock Derick up. Before he flees the country.

Lock him up. Lock him up.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Hitler was a mether an artist to fk oak can of spray paint and meth and your an artist put MAYOR AND DERICK IN THE PRISON SHIP TONIGHT

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

THE DOPE SHIP THIS PUNK DERICK NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP FOR A LONG TIME IN SAN Q ALONG WITH MAYOR CODE ENFORCEMENT CPS HIS KIDS WERE METH ANIMALS FIRE DEPT HEALTH DEPT BUILDING DEPT FIRE DEPT OWNER OF BUILDING BUILDING INSPECTORS FK OAKLAND THEY WANT THESE WAREHOUSES SO THEY CAN PUT UP HIGH PRICED CONDOS FK OAKLAND ITS A MARXIST HELLHOE PUT THEM ALL IN PRISON

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:41 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Derick needs to be in prison tonight THE METH SATAN SHIP HE WAS A PIMP MAYOR CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO BE IN PRISON

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Put derick in prison tonight THE METH SATAN DOPE SHIP

Posted by shiva on 12/08/2016 at 5:35 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

What was Derick Almena's real job? Collecting SSI for being bipolar? Growing pot? Collecting food stamps and the earned income tax credit for 3 kids who half the time were dumped off with relatives, foisted upon underpaid and cheated baby sitters or actually in the custody of Child Protective Services?

Among the 35 adult victims NO WAY will you find 35 grown up and paying full time jobs. The ability to live for many surely came from claiming disabilities and sucking the tit of SSI and Food Stamps.

Even now among the survivors some are probably trying to turn this into SSI so they can spend the rest if their life smoking dope and making fringe art while claiming PTSD.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:52 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

You are quite correct regarding "Hear, hear." I am surprised. I had long assumed it meant agreement "Here, here."

Now what can you tell me about public assistance such as food stamps being used to fund this irresponsible rock and roll lifestyle?

A single vacation in Bali while these conditions endured will be all the prosecutor needs to prove depraved indifference to human life. Why is indictment taking so long? In the midwest where people have some sense this flight risk Derick Almena would already be in jail.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:40 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

We can agree that to some extent the coroner may be able to tell us who was high when they died. That and whatever burned, melted pill bottles turn up in the remains...God have mercy. We can only wait for answers.

To what extent did these departed folks use public assistance like food stamps to fund their rock-n-roll lifestyle? To what extent did Derick and his wife? I bet that hotel room where the kids were staying DURING the fire was paid for by Child Protective Services. Therefore by me the taxpayer while these two partied for months on end and FLY TO BALI ON VACATION. Can you say "depraved indifference"?

What i see is a lot of all play not much work. I can't help but wonder where is the big block of taxpayer funded government cheese which allows the mice to play and party while the rest if us work and obey the law?

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:29 PM

Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

The lesson that responsible grown-ups need to enforce responsible and lawful behavior is utterly lost on Demotro Polis and his or her red fist. Next time you think about calling police...don't. Just stand right there and defend yourself with your little cartoon fist.

We need all those police AND all those firemen. Was there not enough money to pay for these employees? Let me tell you this...if a warehouse has an assessed value of 43k but that warehouse is worth 6k in rent every month with absolutely no improvements or upkeep then something is drastically wrong with the assessed value in the first place. And that is where the taxes come to pay, for example, firemen.

If the warehouse was being used as an apartment then back taxes should be paid for all the years of under-the-radar unzoned usage.

Posted by Charles C. Eroster on 12/08/2016 at 4:14 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

Other particularly good arguments from Matthew Aaron Gerring and Mike Benedict. You going to follow up, Nick Miller / @nickmiller510 ?

BTW, Charles C. Eroster : wrong! https://www.google.com/search?q=here+here+vs+hear+hear

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/08/2016 at 4:09 PM

Re: “Stop Blaming Artists and Musicians for the Ghost Ship Fire. Blame People In Power Who Screwed Up.

EBX's editor, @nicmiller510 really needs to read through the comments here, such as LJ Schneider and Nick Bolla's and consider revising their position.

The "low-income creatives" who ran Satya Yuga are primarily to blame for the 36 deaths that resulted. They're the ones who created the hazard. Certainly officials and the owner and his daughter bear some responsibility too. But the creatives were able to furnish and build the amazing art that was in that place; they certainly could have made a small effort to address safety too.

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/08/2016 at 3:14 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

Hopelessly plugged ears and eyes with eyeshades.

This JohnNoMoniker is still unable to engage in a conversation without slurs. And now, ensuring safety and promoting maturity are "capitalistic" in nature and therefore wrong.

I guess he is the troll not to be feed...........

Posted by Michael Good on 12/08/2016 at 3:09 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

Mr. Good: To be honest, I still consider you a troll, just one that uses the loaded language of a very specific definition of "reason" to push a callous agenda - as evidenced by your comments on this thread and others. A current example: no, I cannot put up dozens of displaced friends in my small living quarters, I wish I could - I would rather they not be displaced immediately from their generally quite-safe current homes because their landlords looked the other way for MANY years with regard to zoning specifics. To suggest nothing else as recourse for them (many of whom are highly marginalized people who will likely end up homeless), and that this is implied as somehow an acceptable outcome, is callous and trollish. Especially when you consider that many of them are currently grieving the loss of loved ones and roomates.

That said, your trollishness is nothing conpared to the likes of Sar Wash above, who simulataneously sent his "prayers" out to the victims of the fire and called them fake artists who don't have "real jobs" (most of the artists I know work other jobs full time and are still poor here). These kinds of comments evidence zero comprehension of the type of collective culture that is under assault here, other than resentment towards it - probably because of its anticapitalist nature as much as anything else. You all should really stop trying to turn Oakland into Walnut Creek.

Posted by JohnNoMoniker on 12/08/2016 at 2:50 PM

Re: “Friends Remember Integral Bay Area Artists, Musicians, and Sound Engineers Still Missing after Ghost Ship Fire

Charles, I can understand why you might assume that, but I can tell you honestly and confidently that they weren't high. I knew many of these people and had gone to many shows with them. They would have been there for the music, not for drugs. The very good music that their friends and community members were putting on for them that night and the chance to be in the company of old and new friends was the draw for them. Just like it has been for me many nights, if I had known so many friends were showing up to this that would have been all the draw I needed to get myself out of the house and go see what everybody was working on and listening to. I'm not trying to claim that everybody who goes to music shows in the world is an angel, but these people specifically were genuinely some of the cleanest, kindest, hardest working and most decent people and artists you would ever meet.

I agree that Derick seems like a genuinely awful person, and I do blame him for setting up this space that my friends couldn't get out of. I think he was too myopic and self-obsessed to take the responsibility that too many good people unwittingly trusted him to have taken.

Posted by daniel mcanulty on 12/08/2016 at 2:27 PM

Re: “An Open Letter to Our Community, From the Former Residents of the Recently Closed LoBot Gallery in West Oakland

The Former LoBot Gallery Residents' friends at Ghost Ship / Satya Yuga are clearly guilty of manslaughter. The evidence in the press, and that I saw first hand, is overwhelming, as I see it.* That they say "To our friends at Ghost Ship: We are with you" is despicable. Shame!

Former residents: You explicitly ally yourself with people who hosted events that attracted large crowds to spaces that not only didn't come close to meeting the codes for assembly spaces, they didn't even come close to the much more lax codes for business or residential space - or even the codes for warehouse space, which are the most lax of all. Worse than that, you want to CONTINUE TO DO SO. Damn you. 36 dead isn't enough? Dead bodies are not art.

If you want folks not to call to have your space red tagged, don't say "We want our spaces retrofitted for modern fire-suppression systems, exits, and alarms." If you'd said, "We want a little time to retrofit our spaces with as much safety features as we can afford - modern fire-suppression systems if we can, but certainly sufficient well-marked exits, fire extinguishers and alarms." I'd be with you.

*Unmarked and locked exits, extremely unsafe electrical wiring, no working fire extinguishers or smoke detectors... There are numerous reports that the residents who ran Ghost Ship laughed at people who raised safety concerns.

Posted by Amelie Love on 12/08/2016 at 2:13 PM

Re: “Oakland's Ron Dellums on President Trump: 'Step Forward'

Just another broken minded liberal thinking that their self-importance should be heard by everyone, when in fact nobody cares. He wants us to believe that he has a firm grasp on this matter, when in reality he keeps spouting the liberal nonsense that is prevalent on the #fakenews from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and sometimes at FOX. All of America sees a fool on a mission that can't see the truth in front of his very face. Hillary is the one that stole the votes, which is the only reason that it seemed close (3 million proven illegal immigrants voted in California alone). On this fact alone we, the United States of America, will change the law where you idiots will go to prison when you break it next time. Only legal residents should vote, but the moral high road liberals think it's okay to let the whole world vote in our elections. I have never heard of anything so idiotic in my life. Keep up the stupidity and we will be forced to enact laws that will make your liberal minds explode! Annexing the California vote is certainly a viable option.

Posted by Tman1609 on 12/08/2016 at 1:49 PM

Re: “Oakland Firefighters Say Their Department Is So Badly Managed, Ghost Ship Warehouse Wasn't Even In Its Inspection Database

thanks for this . it's time to reduce police budget, to require police to be individually insured and boded, and force them and their union to pay out 'settlements' and lost lawsuits due to police misconduct and brutality

these funds will be plenty to pay for as many first responders and firefighters, along with training, as we need

Posted by demotro polis on 12/08/2016 at 1:40 PM

Re: “Oakland's Ron Dellums on President Trump: 'Step Forward'

Ron Dellums has provided inspiration to work for social and economic justice for the entire 48 years I have lived in the Bay Area. Happy to hear from him in these times when we need his voice and wisdom.

Posted by Margaret Cunningham on 12/08/2016 at 1:29 PM

Re: “If Oakland Cracks Down On Underground Warehouses, It Will Snuff Out The City’s DIY Soul

At a minimum, we need immediate eviction of anyone who is occupying a building without his name being on a formal and legal lease. The only way to honor the victims of this renter and squatters is to shut down all of these warehouses. These fake artists, who refuse to live where they can afford or get a real job, need to take responsibility. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of these squatters and this renter.

Posted by Sar Wash on 12/08/2016 at 1:20 PM

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