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Hi, I'm one of the long-time Gilman volunteers slandered by the (still) anonymous "boycott Gilman" people. Like Kamala, I also turned down Sam's request for an interview. I did post a statement explaining how the (still) anonymous "boycott Gilman" misrepresented my long history with the collective and my personal ethics.
At the last Gilman meeting a collective member proposed 86-ing Rory & Jamie. He withdrew that proposal after the overwhelming majority of those present said it would be unfair to a) take such action without proof that they were behind the "boycott Gilman" page and b) take such action without Rory & Jamie having the opportunity to respond and take part in the discussion.
Please update your article to reflect this: the collective REFUSED to take unilateral action based on hearsay against current and former collective members out of a strong sense of fairness and direct communication.
wheres the interview of anyone from the support gilman side.? yeah maybe going to the membership meeting that happened after the boycott gilman stuff started might have been a better way not to make this look one sided.
This article seems pretty straightforward to me. I don't find it particularly slanted to one side. Unless this is one of those cases that when you don't like the facts you just claim that they're "biased". Also, how can Gilman simultaneously ask people to "come to meetings" and participate AND ban/attempt to ban people responsible for the boycott? Lastly, this is just a fucking punk club - one that means a lot to a lot of people- but a punk club. Death threats? Rape threats (from the now deleted fb page)? If those are the people that are on your side, maybe it's worth re-evaluating what yer fighting for.
Kamalas too nice hahaha <3
Sam, it might have been useful if you went to the last Gilman meeting, and interviewed the many supporters of Gilman that were there. It might have given your piece a little more balance. Maybe you can go to the next meeting this Saturday the 4th for a follow up. Also, yes, the Boycott Gilman page did have some really nasty stuff that was unacceptable, and frankly embarrassing but unfortunately that is the nature of Facebook and the internet if things are not moderated. On the flipside, maybe as a journalist you should have also looked at the "Boycott the Boycott of 924 Gilman" an invite only group of mostly old school Gilman regulars. On that page, since it was not entirely public, it is mostly positive, and mostly funny posts.
Please read the entire statement by Kamala Parks instead of just the cherry picked parts used to make her seem like she was inciting violence towards the boycotters.
My name is Kamala Parks and I’m one of the many co-founders of 924 Gilman as well as current chair for the 924 Gilman fundraising committee. It’s important that you know this so that you have some (but not all) insight into my relationship with 924 Gilman. I have avoided participating in the Boycott Gilman online discussion because a) I find these forums to be the refuge of anonymous bullies, and b) I don’t have Facebook© account. I’m engaging now because close friends are being drawn in to what I can only classify as a “first world problem”.
To the best of my knowledge, 924 Gilman is the longest running and only volunteer-run, non-profit, all-ages, collectively governed venue serving the punk community west of New York (apologies if I’ve gotten this wrong). The governance and bi-weekly membership meetings of 924 Gilman were established by Maximum RockNRoll in 1986 and are still very much in place today. I am indebted to MRR for getting the venue going financially. Like many others, I hold 924 Gilman fondly in my heart more than any other venue or place I’ve frequented.
Because of this structure, 924 Gilman as an entity has had many personalities over the years, some of which I’ve identified with more than others. It has and continues to reflect the personalities of those who volunteer substantial time and energy to participate constructively in providing a refuge to our wide, diverse community. It also means that many decisions are made openly, democratically, and through face-to-face discussion. I don’t always agree with the majority vote, but I respect the process and gain greater comprehension of the nuances involved in decision-making when I participate in the membership meetings.
Anyone considering participating in a call to action such as this boycott should, first and foremost, be skeptical once you realize there are no names attached to these proclamations and claims. Because of that, I urge you to research the first bands who jumped on the Boycott Gilman bandwagon and figure out with whom they associate and identify. This will guide you to the chuckleheads who are too cowardly to openly stand behind this boycott or to sustain any challenges to their monolithic and privileged world view.
Please pay attention to the actions of people and bands who identify as Gilman Boycotters and question them directly. Are they attending or playing at 21+ bar shows or venues that regularly host major label acts and why? Are they using corporate products or tools to assist their participation in the punk community and why? I also challenge anyone reading this to name venues that have greater international renown and that have done more to support the greater punk community than 924 Gilman.
.**This is Kamala Parks again. I’ve been told that there have been some questions about the term “first world problems” in my post from a couple of days ago. I first want to reiterate the core of my message, which is that electronic forums are completely inappropriate for discussions about abuse, diversity, and sensitivity, particularly when the sources are anonymous. These issues absolutely deserve serious attention to identify and rectify and are certainly not "first world problems". To clarify, “first world problems” in my post referred to these serious concerns being drowned out by an avalanche of hearsay, gossip, misinformation, and petty grievances perpetuated through electronic forums.
Kamala Parks here with what I hope is my last online post
regarding “Boycott Gilman”. There are reasons to rejoice and be saddened in the wake of the Boycott Gilman call to arms.
Yesterday’s membership meeting and show movingly demonstrated 924 Gilman’s strength and its place in people’s hearts. The membership meeting was one of the best-attended ones in recent memory, and several came to find out more about the issues behind the boycott. They were interested in supporting this important community space by actively engaging in our open and democratic process to discuss the issues, both internal and external, facing the club. Unfortunately, none of the anonymous forces behind Boycott Gilman, if they were there, spoke up. Nonetheless, I was heartened by the strength of our transparent process concerning a proposal to ban a couple of Gilman volunteers who are suspected of being involved in the boycott. Despite the heightened emotions we were all feeling, we came to consensus that those named have the right to be notified in advance so they can respond to allegations at the next meeting before the membership takes any action.
The show itself was a reminder of the magic that happens at 924 Gilman, with bands and attendees who covered the gamut of ages, races, genders, and sexual orientations. The packed crowd was galvanized and motivated to support the place.
At the same time, I’m sad to learn that Maximum RockNRoll is planning to devote a significant section supporting the boycott in their next issue without any input from 924 Gilman supporters. Jesse Townley and I tried to meet with head coordinator of MRR a couple of weeks ago to have a discussion about their grievances with 924 Gilman, but she refused after an extended e-mail exchange.
Both Jesse and I have a long history with MRR. In the 1980’s, I was a shit worker, scene reporter, regular contributor, and house resident. Their renowned annual guide to the international punk community, “Book Your Own Fucking Life”, was inspired by an article I wrote for MRR, “Book Your Own Fucking Tour”. Jesse was also a shit worker for many years from the time he moved to the Bay Area in 1989 and a book reviewer for 14 years.
In the past, MRR has been a beacon to broad swaths of the punk community, demonstrating their can-do spirit by creating a radio show, a fanzine, Epicenter Record Store (R.I.P.), Blacklist mail order (R.I.P.), and 924 Gilman (almost 30 years and counting). Many of us who worked at MRR and its enterprises at that time embody this spirit by being the agents of positive change in the punk community and beyond. Alas, the current leadership of MRR seems so busy identifying lines in the sand that they have lost hold of the principles that had previously guided it and inspired so many.
If you feel there are issues with 924 Gilman, I invite you to affect change by participating in our bi-monthly meetings (where most decisions are made) and volunteering your energy (where most of the action takes place). To be 100% clear, I am speaking for myself and NOT 924 Gilman or the Gilman fundraising committee. The collective has not appointed a spokesperson or drafted a statement.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to listen to “Our Lips Are Sealed” by the Go-Go’s and try to heed to its 35-year old wisdom.
"Avilez" has performed at "THE GILMAN" in all these bands and dates since 1993 (and has been performing in "L.A. PUNK BANDS" since 1986) ... so like the last comment states and stands ...
Jan. 29, 1993 – THE REJECTED - w/ MDC & Fuck Boyz
May 7, 1994 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ The Fixtures, Society Gone Madd, Dead and Gone
July 16, 1994 – REJECTED MOTHER FUCKERS – w/ UXA, Screw 32, Snap-her
Sept. 24, 1994 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Swingin Utters
Sept. 15, 1995 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Naked Aggression
Feb. 3, 1996 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Strychnine, Skaven, The Need, Young & the Useless
Feb. 16, 1996 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Capitalist Casualties, Subincision
June 21, 1996 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – Heckle, Link 80
(OPPRESSED LOGIC was 86'd from Gilman and was voted back in a meeting in 2000!!!)
Nov. 5, 2000 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Dayglo Abortions, Decry, Portrait of Poverty
Mar. 10, 2001 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ The Varukers, Scarred For Life
July 13, 2001 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Special Duties, Violent Society, ZBS, Born/Dead
Jan. 12, 2002 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Plan 9, Hellbillys, The Sick
Feb. 22, 2002 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Deface, Eddie Haskels, Throat Oyster
July 4, 2003 – STRUNG UP – w/ ?
April 18, 2004 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ The Resistoleros, American Terrorists
Oct. 14, 2005 – RETCHING RED – w/ MDC, Blown To Bits, Instant Asshole, War Krimes
May 13, 2006 – RETCHING RED / OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Naked Aggression
Oct. 6, 2006 – RETCHING RED – w/ Decry, Zero Bull Shit
Feb. 2, 2007 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / LAST ROUND UP – w/ D.I., Deathtoll
June 15, 2007 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Agression, Verbal Abuse, Shattered Faith
Sept. 14, 2007 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Dr. Know, Circle One, Zero Bull Shit
Aug. 13, 2008 – FUKM – w/ Channel 3, The Disciples, You Die
Oct. 18, 2008 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ SMD, Crucial Cause, Rat Damage
Dec. 19, 2008 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ D.I., Neighborhood Watch, Fukm
Oct. 2, 2009 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ TSOL, Everything Must Go, The Disciples
Feb. 6, 2010 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Angry Samoans, Dr. Know, Bum City Saints, Nihilist Cunt
Aug. 13, 2010 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Fang, Sex Offenders, Hewhocannnotbenamed
Aug. 28, 2010 – LAST ROUND UP – w/ Circle One, Negative Trend, You Die, Nihilist Cunt
Oct. 16, 2010 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Scream, Toys That Kill, Grace Alley, Zero Progress
Dec. 11, 2010 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Plan 9, Black Fag, Remones, MC Meathook
Feb. 5, 2011 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Scream, Deathtoll
May 21, 2011 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Murder Junkies, Hammerlock, Jesse Morris
Sept. 3, 2011 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Reagan Youth, ZBS, Gutwrench
Sept. 10, 2011 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Battalion of Saints, Attitude Adjustment, V.D.
Oct. 30, 2011 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ The Dwarves
Feb. 3, 2012 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / ZERO BULL SHIT / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE
May 12, 2012 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ The Insaints, All or Nothing HC
Sept. 9, 2012 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / ZERO BULL SHIT – w/ The Whoremoans
Sept. 14, 2012 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Yeastie Boys, Go Time, Culo A Boca
Dec. 12, 2012 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Fukm, Trouble Maker
Mar. 2, 2013 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE w/ Punk Funk Mob, Skunkadelics (No H.R.)
April 27, 2013 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Antidote, Visual Discrimination
June 14, 2013 – ZERO BULL SHIT – w/ MDC, Verbal Abuse, In Defence, Nihilist Cunt
July 13, 2013 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Urban Waste, Strung Up, Out of Tune, No Mistake
Sept. 27, 2013 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ General Fucking Principle, Attitude Adjustment
Dec.14, 2013 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Poison Idea, Fang, Attitude Adjustment
Feb. 6, 2014 – RETCHING RED / OPPRESSED LOGIC / ZERO BULL SHIT / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE – w/ Luicidal, Neighborhood Watch, Hollywood Hate, Sick Sense, Nihilist Cunt
May 18, 2014 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ The Skeptix, Choking Susan, Fukm
May 31, 2014 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE -w/ SNFU, Trouble Maker, Nihilist Cunt
Sept. 27, 2014 – GUANTANAMO DOGPILE -w/ Green Jelly, Mystic Knights of the Cobra
Oct. 3, 2014 – ZERO BULL SHIT – w/ Dr. Know, Attitude Adjustment, No Fraud
Oct. 18, 2014 – OPPRESSED LOGIC / GUANTANAMO DOGPILE- w/ English Dogs
Nov. 22, 2014 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Angry Samoans, Wasted Ones, Cornelius Apspergers
Mar. 28, 2015 – RETCHING RED – w/ The Insaints, Trouble Maker, Jack Killed Jill
June 19, 2015 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ UK Subs, Fang, Nihilist Cunt, MFB
Dec. 12, 2015 – OPPRESSED LOGIC – w/ Voodoo Glowskulls
May 7, 2016 – LUICIDAL / ZERO BULL SHIT w/ Sawyer Family, Heartless Folk, Sorry Mom
(this show was the same day as the meeting regarding Fang/Slapshot show, but not one PC peep about it... Fang was ask to play this date, but was unable... F Y I !!!)
That said Gilman has had ....
OPPRESSED LOGIC = 35x
GUANTANAMO DOGPILE = 17x
ZERO BULL SHIT = 6x (with Avilez as bassist)
RETCHING RED = 5x (with Avilez as bassist)
LAST ROUND UP = 2x (with Avilez as bassist)
REJECTED MOTHER FUCKERS = 2x (with Avilez as bassist)
STRUNG UP = 1x (with Avilez as bassist)
FUKM = 1x (with Avilez as bassist)
LUICIDAL = 1x (with Avilez on vocals)
Oh Yeah... GUANTANAMO DOGPILE broke up 2 years ago!! Might be time to reunite!!!!
next MAYA SONGBIRD PERFORMANCE.
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Nastia - you write amazing articles. Your descriptions are captivating and I've found myself discovering new artists I would not have otherwise known about because of you. Thank you
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Best and realist Article I have ever read regarding Philthy Rich. I know him personally, I know his struggles, I went through some of them with him. Philthy has come a long, long way and I am glad to see what his music career has evolved to today. His lyrics tell a story, his story and a lot of people can relate to that.
Majic Moonjynuh rocks. And for better or worse, they sound way more like Black Sabbath than King Crimson. The concept album will be amazing.
Love this album. Thanks for reviewing. Been in my steady rotation since this article.
You should have a sound bite so we know what you sound like????????
I love you little cousin i told u from jump i have faith in u and your lyrically gifted... Let's do it for rell... While he lookin down smiling at you proudly😄😃😀😀😀😀
Heiko skating with us in Huntsville Alabama in 1989
I've been a performing musician for over 48 years. This is greed plain and simple. With all due respect to clubs and venues I've played, we don't make enough to haul all the gear in the building let alone play. The big joke is we get paid for moving the equipment. Hell the insurance companies that strong arm these bars and lounges for the hundreds of thousands in Liquor liability insurance every year, keeps them from even THINKING of being able to pay us for what we're really worth. Let's go after them first.
Hell, there are fewer and fewer places to play. These old performers who's music would be a memory and the requests to have them on comeback tours wouldn't even exist if it weren't for those of us keeping their songs alive in these small clubs. and venues. Yeah we're making a lot of money off THEIR music. Could someone point me in the direction of all that dough? cause I ain't seen it in years. Musician's in the Northeast haven't seen an increase of any kind since 1982. and it was only 25 bucks hasn't changed since then. My sound and lighting system cost more than I make in 10 years. we do it for the love of the music not the money. Or we'd all be dead of starvation. My bill is for moving the gear in and out of a venue. the playing part is free.
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