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Comment Archives: stories: News & Opinion: Raising the Bar

Re: “A Message to Readers

Thanks for the comment, Sam. The Bay Citizen was staffed, like the Center for Investigative Reporting into which it was merged, with fantastic journalists who do great work. But I continue to believe that the Bay Citizen model was unsustainable which ultimately doomed this noble experiment. - Jay

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Posted by Jay Youngdahl on 10/22/2014 at 9:18 AM

Re: “A Message to Readers

You misrepresent why The Bay Citizen folded a couple years ago. It had nothing to do with funding or the business model, and the reasons were widely reported at the time. You should really do your homework before reporting something as fact. You wrote, "the news media generally does a terrible job telling the truth about itself." And then you did exactly that type of bad reporting. Geesh!

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Posted by Sam Burns on 10/22/2014 at 5:48 AM

Re: “The Real Martin Luther King Jr.

Great piece Jay. I often wonder how Dr. King would respond to the current state of society, and what actions he would be advocating. I wonder what he would have thought about "affirmative action" as it evolved, and about the state of American "family life" as it has evolved, and about gangs and hip-hop "culture". People should want to be assessed by the "content of their character" and not by race. Sadly, things have not gone that way. Maybe at some point the pendulum can swing back.

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Posted by Barry Seidel on 01/15/2014 at 9:23 PM

Re: “The Real Martin Luther King Jr.

What a great piece to reflect on for MLK Day! Thank you for reminding us that MLK & Mandela were human beings, not superheroes. That makes what the did even more impressive, and gives some hope to the rest of us.

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Posted by Lisa Lindsley on 01/15/2014 at 2:20 PM

Re: “The Real Martin Luther King Jr.

I so appreciate that Jay Youngdahl wrote about why we honor Martim Luther King…this is an excellent article. Note: "He stressed notions of love, power, and justice and their relationship to the nature of social existence — a message echoed in progressive strains of Buddhism and Catholicism."

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Posted by Connie Coker on 01/15/2014 at 2:08 PM

Re: “2013 Was a Year of Heroes and Hope

As usual, you give us all some things we should think about. I definitely agree with your take on Matt Taibbi, but also thank the writers such as yourself that also name names, and aren't reluctant to call out the institutions and individuals that need to have the light of day shown on them.

Posted by Gordon Baker on 12/27/2013 at 5:08 PM

Re: “Spying and Lying

Can you imagine how many people NSA would have to hire to read emails and listen to phone calls from 200,000 million, or so, Americans? It would certainly solve the unemployment problem, but it would be hazardous work. Many would die from boredom.

Posted by Joyce Roy on 12/16/2013 at 11:41 PM

Re: “Spying and Lying

Ed, that old Fourth Amendment seems quaint, doesn't it? Important in the 18th Century, obsolete in the 21st. Who needs it?

Posted by Bob Woodbury on 12/12/2013 at 10:26 AM

Re: “Spying and Lying

Just so the record is clear i am one person who is not at all concerned with our new tools to gather information. I suspect there are many like me. I believe I may be safer and healthier as a result of the responsible use of such information. If my city can create a safer environment by focused surveillance then I am all for it. If the federal government can create a safer society I support it. Yes, we need policies to guide these efforts but we don't need to prevent it or fear it.
Ed Gerber

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Posted by ed gerber on 12/12/2013 at 6:49 AM

Re: “Spying and Lying

"We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end."
― George Orwell, 1984
As the Obama concept of government seizes power, we are experiencing the transformation from the days when our personal lives and thoughts were private and we could speak our minds without hesitation, to a time when government is seizing that sanctity from us in the false name of protection. Nothing our enemies can imagine for us could be more harmful, for it is no longer 317 million citizens they must conquer, but only one government that must fall. Before, each one of us was an individual fortress, but today we foolishly relinquish our defense, personal state secrets and dignity to a self-proclaimed god-like government that is demonstrating its ability to fumble and to deceive. This is not a partisan issue, but one of human rights for every one of us. Every opinion poll expresses our disgust with this government, and now we must act as citizens to retake the individualism that for the U.S.A. once commanded the attention of the world.

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Posted by William H. Thompson on 12/12/2013 at 12:02 AM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

Dear Jay Youngdahl: Do not use the word "burgeoning" again. Ever.

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Posted by Clarence Cromwell on 11/30/2013 at 6:15 PM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

The tech bubble will burst again. But farmers, tailors, home builders and BART drivers aren't going to disappear anytime soon. Maybe the tech crowd should consider shedding their mortal flesh and uploading themselves into The Cloud as an exit strategy?

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Posted by Vince Rubino on 11/19/2013 at 6:47 PM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

Thank you, William H. Thompson.

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Posted by Mary Eisenhart on 11/14/2013 at 8:52 AM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

DeTocqueville forgot to add that "countries don't just get the governments they deserve, they also get the 'values' they deserve.

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Posted by Alain Pierre on 11/14/2013 at 8:40 AM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

Not quite paramount to the discovery of the new world, Mr. Youngdahl reveals for us in his article here his opinionated finding that arrogant Silicon Valley companies are callously causing job loss and banks are populated by non-indicted thieves. One wonders what this author would have written had he lived during the Industrial Revolution, or during the times when electricity replaced whale oil and automobiles replaced buggy makers and horse stables. Of course, bankers perfected their schemes long before now and for some their reputations among many has suffered for centuries. Perhaps Henry Ford was arrogant, J.P Morgan and Edison, too. Was, as Youngdahl states, the Bay Area quite proud of its values in the days when it conscripted thousands of Chinese laborers to build the railroads supporting mansions on Nob Hill, or when it solidified its standing as a financial capital, which in the wake of the 1929 stock market crash, not a single San Francisco-based bank failed? Does Youngdahl recall that Amadeo Giannini founded the Bank of Italy (later to become Bank of America) and he made handshake loans that rebuilt San Francisco after the great earthquake? Perhaps he and other bank and railroad founders were arrogant. too. No, the so-called moral compass of the Bay Area has been spinning for a much longer time than Mr. Youngdahl has been here, and its directions over the decades have been and now are influenced by more than a crowd of bankers and techies. The seeming certainty about the Bay Area is its crucible-like nature where people, ideas, culture, business and whatever else comes here must offer some form of value to survive. It has never been a place where everyone gets their way and it should not be a place where those like Mr. Youngdahl can pontificate to any of us which direction on some moral compass is the one we must follow. As Youngdahl states, values matter. Agreed. But to build a healthy and caring culture in which we can feel good about our children's future, our society must trust each individual's ability to decide for themselves what elements of our society will survive the crucible and which moral directions will not be taken - rather than have one person's opinion and his ideological persuasions make such decisions for us. It seems, by his writing this article, Mr. Youndahl has little faith that people have the capacity to make the right decisions - a common misconception among those of his ideological persuasion.

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Posted by William H. Thompson on 11/14/2013 at 1:32 AM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

The lack of "values" and deference to things that are truly important pervades every aspect of society. That's why the debate about "health care" never has anything to do with health....nobody cares about THAT. I don't like to generalize about groups, even techsters and hipsters. They reflect the values that we have all allowed to take over. And actually, I've meant quite a few whose hearts and values are in the right place, so maybe all is not lost.

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Posted by Barry Seidel on 11/13/2013 at 3:54 PM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023…

Google's "engineers" recently issued something about their own take on cooperating with the NSA (a raised middle finger essentially). This has not been Google's response generally.

Regards values, I don't think the general case of corporate values supporting a tyranny (those of Silicon Valley one component of this) are to be doubted now. And the suggestion that somehow we are in an "evolutionary" no-choice zone regards an "Information Age" and its developments reminds me of the also specious argument that "Globalization" had to proceed just the way it has.

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Posted by terrybake on 11/13/2013 at 1:00 PM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

Zucherberg and the rest of the dotcom pinheads are pimps. They have convinced the world that they create products that are so valuable that if you don't have the latest (whatever) gizmo, you have no societal value or access to what is hip and cool. In fact, they create nothing of value, it is all an illusion. Twitter, are you kidding me? Why do I care what some idiot in Iowa thinks about anything? At the end of the day, the world will not stop or be the least affected by not hearing from you instantly. You really are not that important. The finance vultures do not even begin to comprehend the notion of a social contract. How much money do you really need? The combination of the arrogance and greed of these two sectors will be the demise of the nation if we, the people, do not get them in check FAST! It may already be too late.

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Posted by Gary Patton on 11/13/2013 at 3:59 AM

Re: “The Bay Area Has a Values Problem

Interesting article but very short on facts, figures and research. Sounds like a sour grape piece instead of an intelligent critical analysis of comparatives and where are they hiding all those robots anyway? Actually, this article strikes me as typical of the self-indulgent culture of the anarchists. Balance would have been nice in acknowledging all the good that has come out of Silicon Valley and how it has entered us into the Information Age. We are way past the Industrial Revolution and manufacturing will take a back seat to information services, like it or not, this is the evolution. Grow up.

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Posted by Mary Vigilanti on 11/12/2013 at 6:59 PM

Re: “Let Them Eat Cake

BTW, how come the mainstream press hardly noticed the obscene money being handed out to that BART 'negotiator'? What was it $300k? That's not newsworthy for some reason. Or the BART managers ridiculous salary? She;s worth that much cause she has so much 'talent'? Or the last manager who walked out with a $1million golden parachute? Not a thing? Right its all the workers fault who are the greedy ones, asking for things like lunch breaks and health insurance. What do they think this is Stalin's Russia?

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Posted by Al Margulies on 11/01/2013 at 2:28 PM

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