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Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

As someone who works at live music venue, I can say that the increased security at hip-hop shows is necessary. Unfortunately, they are significantly more violent than the other shows we have and our security needs the police presence to ensure safety of people at work as well as other attendees. I also live blocks away from Karribean City and avoid that block when walking home after work because it has been a lightning rod for violence downtown. I want there to be hip hop shows, but something has to be done about the well documented violence that does occur at them.

Posted by John-Paul de Veer on 04/28/2017 at 11:58 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

The raves are "underground" and un-permitted (interesting phrase, that. It means NOT allowed). Certain elements scream "it's too hard to get permits". Might it be your observations of the problems associated with raves are why?

The violence at sporting events (Raider Nation anyone?) *tends* to be so successfully prosecuted as to deter outbreaks. When they do happen, it isn't large in scale, compared to the size of the crowd. No/little culture of "we don't snitch" in effect there.

Hip-hop/rap events in clubs on the other hand, live at the opposite end... A couple hundred or so in attendance with and almost guarantee of people shot and robbed with depressing regularity and "We don't snitch" is the chorus line.

As I said before, if the promoters/performers could/would self control the events... But they don't. The gangsta mystique IS the spice of the show.

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/28/2017 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

A friend of mine was killed in a shooting outside of vinyl by a stray bullet. He had nothing to do with it and was playing a show next door at a different venue. That doesn't fit your narrative I guess but I'll never get my friend back. RIP Emilio.

Posted by vaxination on 04/27/2017 at 9:13 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

It's so easy to point at shootings that have occurred and say "We got to be safe," but meanwhile ignore the bigger picture. What about the illegal drugs and deaths stemming from raves? What about violence at 49ers' games? What about the violence at recent protests? Should we ban all forms of free speech or assembly if sometimes the outcomes are not what we'd hoped?

Posted by David Johnson-Igra on 04/27/2017 at 2:58 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

How many people have gotten into a scuffle at the Fox or Paramount or New Parish, gone to their car to retrieve a gun and then ended up shoot innocent people while trying to kill the person they fought with??? This is a complex issue.

Posted by Matt_Chambers on 04/27/2017 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

It sucks, but when you hear of a shooting at a music show around here, it's almost always a rap show. Not blaming the music, not blaming the artists, and not supporting the removal of rap shows and venues from the Town. But this extra police scrutiny doesn't come out of nowhere, and advocates need to stop pretending that it does.

Posted by Max Chanowitz on 04/27/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Perhaps the violence and aggressive behavior that seems to all too often show up at Rap events is a reason for not wanting them.

Posted by Ernest Montague on 04/27/2017 at 7:26 AM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

There may have been no death threats in the case of hip-hop/rap events, but the narrative completely ignores the shootings and other crime that has accompanied such events. EBX itself documented such in the past years. See back issues.

The city is short resources to deal with what goes on here as just "normal wear and tear". If the promoters had managed to self control the problems in the past, just *MAYBE* the knee jerk reaction we're seeing *MIGHT* not be going on. But these problems are as much a part of the mystique as the music... Maybe the promoters don't want to keep it in hand.

And it seems even the venues themselves see these events as too much trouble... They don't see a reason to stand up for the promoters. What does that say?

Posted by Bruce Ferrell on 04/26/2017 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Claerence you are close but missed the boat on this. Marduk was cancelled because a group made death threats on the employees and owners of the venue if Marduk were allowed to play there. This was based on allegations of them being nazi sympathizers, white supremacists, and having anti immigration beliefs.

From my understanding there were no death threats made in anticipation of the rappers concerts and it was more about people getting into fights, which happens at all kinds of places where large amounts of people are drinking and partying

Posted by Damien Starr on 04/26/2017 at 1:52 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

Interesting how this article complete leaves out how the Swedish heavy-metal band Marduk, had to recently cancel their show. I guess this doesnt fit in with the author's narrative?

Posted by Clarence C. Johnson on 04/26/2017 at 12:16 PM

Re: “Blacklisted: How The Oakland Police Department Discriminates Against Rappers and Music Venues

This is a typical Oakland tale: city hall (Mayor and her staff) completely out of touch with the community. Police Department with no practical or effective idea of how to deal with gang and individual violence.

Solution is intelligent and competent leadership in Oakland. Which has for a very very long time seemed an impossibility.

Posted by Hobart Johnson on 04/26/2017 at 8:07 AM

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