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Re: “The Gluten-Free Rush

Kathleen - Thank you for this fantastic article! Cross-contamination of gluten-free foods in restaurants is a big issue, and at the National Foundation for Celiac Awareness, we've been working to combat that problem. We empower consumers to be like you and Lynn Carp - asking questions and never taking the "gluten-free" label on a menu for granted. We also have a gluten-free restaurant training program called GREAT Kitchens, which we just updated with even more information about cross-contamination avoidance. We are so glad to see you bring attention to this important topic. Keep up the GREAT work!
-Cheryl McEvoy
National Foundation for Celiac Awareness (

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Posted by NFCA Cheryl on 09/26/2012 at 1:17 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat


Here is a list of some of the medical, scientific, and health 'benefits' of red, grassfed, processed, unprocessed, organic, free-range, and pasture-raised meat:

01. Eating Red And Processed Meat Associated With Increased Risk Of Death
"March 24, 2009 — Individuals who eat more red meat and processed meat appear to have a modestly increased risk of death from all causes and also from cancer."…

02. NEWS: Dietary Fat Linked To Pancreatic Cancer - SCIENCE DAILY
"June 27, 2009 — High intake of dietary fats from red meat and dairy products was associated with an increased risk of pancreatic cancer."…

04. Charred Meat May Increase Risk Of Pancreatic Cancer
"April 22, 2009 — Meat cooked at high temperatures to the point of burning and charring may increase the risk of pancreatic cancer"…

05. NEWS: Diet Affects Diversity Of Microbes In Human Gut, And In Turn, Colon Cancer Risk
"April 2, 2009 — A typical Western diet, rich in meat and fats and low in complex carbohydrates, is a recipe for colon cancer"…

06. NEWS: Retail Meat Linked to Urinary Tract Infections: Strong New Evidence
January 21, 2010 — Chicken sold in supermarkets, restaurants and other outlets may place people at risk of urinary tract infections, researchers have discovered.…

07. NEWS: "Diet rich in red meat doubles breast cancer risk" - UK news…

08. BBC NEWS | Health | "Red meat cancer risk" -BBC
"Eating lots of red meat is linked with DNA damage which raises the risk of bowel cancer"…

09. NEWS: Red meat increases risk of death from cancer" -The Globe and Mail
"In contrast, those who ate more white meat have a decreased risk of dying, and in particular of dying from cancer"…

11. ACS :: Eating Lots of Red Meat Linked to Colon Cancer" -AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY
"People who eat a lot of red meat or processed meats may be raising their risk for colon cancer." -American Cancer Society…

12. Vegetable Diet May Reduce Risk Of Prostate Cancer
"June 4, 2009 — Certain modifications in diet have a beneficial effect on the prevention of prostate cancer. Results suggest that a diet low in fat and low in red meat but high in fruits and vegetables is beneficial"

There are more links available, however some site's comment systems dont accept them and thwart having too many links, even though they are all proper. However you can easily and freely google it in order to obtain and see any of these studies and news items yourself.

"Red meat doesn’t have the best reputation, and that reputation may have just gotten worse. New research from the National Institutes of Health AARP Diet and Health study found those who consumed the most red meat and saturated fat were significantly more likely to die from chronic liver disease or develop liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma)" -S. Robertson, RD, CDN

14. "Heme Iron From Red Meat may Increase Blood Pressure" - British Medical Journal
"Blood pressure may be affected by dietary iron intake, according to a recent study conducted by Ioanna Tzoulaki at the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health, Imperial College London, and colleagues, published in the latest issue of British Medical Journal."

[ALERT! - Heme Iron is damaging, and it is present in ALL red meat. This includes pasture-raised beef. That includes grass-fed beef, it also contains dangerous heme iron. Note that you cannot get away from it, even Organic meat contains heme iron. There is no way to 'cook it out' or 'kill it by cooking it' or 'cutting it out of the meat' or 'buying a kind that doesn't have it' or 'avoiding it by eating raw meat'. It's in raw meat, cooked meat, grassfed meat, etc. Heme iron is an Oxidant. That means it destroys your body's cell DNA. Meat contains heme iron which is a damagin oxidant that can cause DNA damage to a man's cells, and a womans. It's the opposite of the beneficial "anti-oxidants" that you hear talked about being so important everywhere. When you eat meat, you're actually defeating much of the vitamins, berries, plant sources, citrus fruits, and anti-oxidants that extend life. In other words, if you are all concerned about your child's health, and you were feeling great that you were so attentive that you made sure they were eating lots of oranges and getting lots of vitamin C, and then you fed them a piece of grassfed meat (or any meat), you just un-did and negated a portion of the work you just did trying to make sure your child had plenty of anti-oxidants. You just gave them a dose of meat which contains heme-iron which is a potent Mutagenic substance which is now attacking your child's cell DNA, and shortening their potential lifespan. (As a simplified explanation of this, think in your mind of Iron rust. That's oxidation. If your car starts to rust, it corrodes and begins to destroy the very fabric of your car until it eventually adds up to substantial damage, and eventually becomes destroyed and unusable. - Vitamin C, would be like a coat of paint or rust-protectant which is constantly fighting to protect your cherished entity against being damaged, while the heme iron in red meat would be akin to corrosive rust and oxidation working to slowly cause its decay and destroy it. (Vitamin C is NOT found in any piece of meat by the way, meat contains NO Vitamin C, this is why sailors had to bring citrus fruits on ships because meat diets, even with fish, would end in disease and scurvy.) Dubious sites will constantly parrot the phrase heme iron in meat is 'more absorbable' than non-heme iron in plants, as if that is a benefit that makes it better, however that's exactly the problem. Non-heme iron in plants actually turns out to be absorbed at up to 25%, as opposed to merely a touch more 30% for meat, which is slighter than what you may be lead to believe by all these reports of being so much more absorbable, and it has now been confirmed that non-heme plant-based iron can supply huge amounts of iron and in the presence of Vitamin C, the absorbability skyrockets and may even exceed the bioavailability of that in meat, and it has now been shown that the ferritin pathway using plant-based iron is in fact better at preventing iron deficiency anemia as opposed to meat, and plant iron is now being looked at for solving and providing a majority of the world's population with proper amounts of healthy plant-based non-heme iron in fully required nutritional amounts. The iron in meat is mutagenic and causes cell DNA damage. Most people who thought meat was supposedly a good or 'rich' source of iron, don't know this. It's actually severely damaging.]

"In those with breast cancers showing positive hormone receptors there was a marked increase in cancer in those women consuming the most red meat."-Dr. Tim Harlan / Nurses Health Study

16. NEWS: "Red meat doubles rheumatoid arthritis risk"
"Results showed those eating the most red meat had twice the risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis. Patients consuming red meat as well as other types of meat had similar higher risk factors"

17. British Journal of Cancer: "Vegetarians Less Likely To Develop Cancer Than Meat Eaters"
"In a study of more than 61,000 people, Cancer Research UK scientists from Oxford followed meat eaters and vegetarians for over 12 years, during which 3,350 of the participants were diagnosed with cancer. They found that the risk of being diagnosed with cancers of the stomach, bladder and blood* was lower in vegetarians than in meat eaters."

18. BBC NEWS UK: "Botulism risk sparks meat recall"
"Consumers are warned about the danger of botulism in vacuum-packed meat"

19. MEAT TRADE NEWS: UK - Sausage meat recall - Meat found infected with Bacteria
"18 Nov 2010 -The UK's Food Standards Agency has issued an updated Food Alert for Action. Listeria is a food poisoning bug that can cause serious illness"



"Last month one of the largest food processors in the world, Con Agra, recalled nearly 19 million pounds of ground beef that had been processed at a single plant in Greeley, Colo. It did so at the suggestion of the U.S. Department of Agriculture." It is important to note, that one cannot rest assured that all meat is safe. And it is incorrect to assume that 'the government' has any power over it. Because as shhown in this prime example, the govt "could only suggest a recall because it doesn't have the power to order such a recall and won't until Congress gets the guts to face down the meat-packing industry."-THE WASHINGTON POST

"This particular outbreak of E. coli has stricken at least 47 people in 14 states, and one death in Ohio is listed by the Centers for Disease Control as possibly linked to the ConAgra contamination."

E. coli kills an average of 61 Americans every year and poisons 73,000. "Poisons" is a better word than the common euphemism "sickens." Even folks who survive E. coli have been a lot more than just "sick."

[NOTE: Ecoli comes from meat. Not plants. Ecoli is an 'enteric' bacteria. That means it originates in the gastro-enterological system. In other words, up the rear seat of an animal. Up inside the rectum in the feces. Plants do not generate it. This means that anyone who is tempted to pipe up with claims or reports about 'lettuce' or 'spinach' or 'sprouts' or whatnot, attempting to blame plants is going to be instantly refuted, because in virtually every instance, that ecoli or salmonella on those tomatoes or melons or whatnot has been traced back to animals. Such as pasture raised cattle. Those bacteria cannot generate in plants. So what happened was that some meat-farmer was raising pasture-raised or grassfed beef, and he stepped in it in his pasture, and then he tracked the fecal matter on his boots into the truck he then loaded up with the heads of lettuce or the tomatoes. The cattle farmer contaminated the plants. In another instance, a cattle farmer was using the runoff water filled with urine and fecal matter, from his pasture which was next to his spinach field to water and irrigate the spinach. That is how plants get contaminated with ecoli, it does not come from the plant, it came from animals, usually a meat and livestock farm which allowed feces to contaminate his equipment and got it on all his produce, which he then sold to you and you gave to your child. And remember, animals get sick, and organic means they haven't been even given any anti-biotics either, so that means the animals can now be teeming and rife with bacterial infestations. One of the 'benefits' of organic meat, it doesn't have anti-biotics, but that also means the bacteria have not been eradicated and organic meat can be diseased and contaminated with bacteria.]

THE WASHINGTON POST ALSO NOTED: "The greatest risk is to young children, who have weaker immune systems and who can suffer and die in the most horrible way: bloody diarrhea, [due to brain inflammation, holes often need to be medically drilled in the childrens skulls to relieve pressure on the brain], kidneys that shut down."-The Washington Post. -Some of the 'benefits' of feeding your child pasture-raised meats.

20. "Foot and mouth infected meat still entering UK"
"Infected meat is still smuggled in each year, according to estimates." -NEWSCIENTIST

21. "Excessive meat-eating 'kills 45000 each year' - Health News
"Oct 2010 ... Lowering meat consumption in the UK would prevent about 45000 premature deaths a year, according to a new study"

The impact on health and even potential death is what makes this fundamentally different than merely some trivial discussion of who won "Dancing with the Stars" and who didn't. As you can see, up to 45-THOUSAND actual people's lives were impacted, resulting in their human deaths. And that's just from 1 aspect, and that's only in just the UK. Now imagine the impact in the US, and for all-cause mortality. These are scientific and medical studies, not some wild opinion, these are data. So before one touts the latest 'fad' in some article professing benefits, one should be accountable for the potential impact and effects. There are potentially about 45,000 people out there right now, along with their families and children, who wish they hadn't read an article like this, well, at least they might be able to if they were still alive. These are the data.

Please take note of it. Be aware of the scientific studies and events shown in the News stories and citations above, before you automatically presume and jump on the latest 'fad' in the meat-world. Remember, not only yourself, but it's also your child's life that could depend on it. It's not just you, it's others as well.

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Posted by Grant Washington on 04/02/2012 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Oakland Goes Veg

Wonderful! Colleen consistently brings clarity to this issue... Her reasoning for health and compassion are indisputable! What an honest voice! Thank you Oakland for listening!

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Posted by Bea V Elliott on 04/02/2012 at 3:11 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

Glad to pass the information along - Thank you for initially posting it.

I'm in this mindset originally because of issues of compassion and justice to animals victimized by our bad eating habits. Since then I've become ever more aware of the environmental damage and destruction to human health as well. Every argument became more compelling than the other to consume plant foods exclusively. Eventually I was lead to what I consider the most important and best choice of my life...

There was a wonderful series of discussions and lectures regarding the myths of "sustainable" animal meats at the Conscious Eating Conference:… I'd highly recommend it to anyone interested in the benefits of opting for a plant based future.

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Posted by Bea V Elliott on 04/02/2012 at 3:04 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

Mr. Washington,

There was no attempt to "hide" information. The previous post was deleted because it violated our policy against anonymous and pseudonymous comments.

Glad to see you're now using your real name.

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Posted by Robert Gammon on 04/02/2012 at 2:34 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

"Thank you" to user "Bea Eliot" for helping to repost the message regarding the scientific information on grassfed beef below. It seems that those involved with the article are attempting to hide the scientific and medical information by improperly invoking the newspapers policy when it is does not apply, to delete properly & correctly posted comments, in order to hide the data from the public, because it revealed a number of pieces of medical information that did not put this article or its claims in a very good light.

Any and all are welcomed to repost and spread the information and re-post the posts, not only here but on other systems as you wish. The information is given right in the post on how any and all persons can infact confirm and verify the information themselves and witness that it is corroborated. Including scientific studies showing the medical and safety implications of what is being advocated by the article's author and the article above being harboured on this papers site. This isn't simply "debate-class" here where some bunch of people 'discuss' and then everybody goes home and nothing happened. It is not just some debate about who likes some kind of music and who does not. Those do not have ramifications. The article above contains recommendations that involve the ingestion of materials that can end up inflicting cancer, a heart attack, hospitalization, or even mortality on someone's life, or their child. That makes this far different than some debate simply about music or something about 'what somebody likes' and somebody else doesn't. Those don't send a person's family or only child to the hospital. It is for that reason, that it is important to expose the actual information from proper and correct scientific studies that show the health and medical implications of what is being touted in this author's article.

With that in mind, those here are now also going to be re-posting in full, the entirety of all the information here on multiple venues external to this newspaper's site, including seeding all our comments to multiple blogs and documented in a report which will be given to the media, along with small snippets of the pertinent non-factual information, the misinformation, and various claims made by Robert Gammon in this article, quoted and attributed, but now published in locations where he cannot get at it and attempt to hide it or delete it. Thus the scientific report, and studies, along with the incorrect or specious information associated with this article's author will now freely come up in all search engines and his claims, the names of the above mentioned stores, corporations, markets and so forth will now be associated with this author's claims, as well as the proper scientific information refuting it, and the medical implications of the items being pushed by these entities. The commission report will then be available to the public with references for anyone to see and decide for themselves, based on the scientific health information and facts.

So thank you whoever you are, "Bea Eliot", for re-posting. And to you, and any and all readers, you are welcome to re-iterate, re-post, re-post, re-tweet, blog about, and spread our scientific data and the information you see here. Spread it and repost it if any entities try to cover it up.

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Posted by Grant Washington on 04/02/2012 at 2:07 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

Like pacifists or pro-lifers: vegetarianism, in itself, is merely an ethic -- not necessarily a religion.

In the Table of Contents to Rynn Berry's 1993 book, Famous Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes: Lives & Lore from Buddha to the Beatles, Pythagoras is described as an ancient Greek religious teacher.

Gautama the Buddha is similarly described as an ancient Indian savant and religious teacher.

Mahavira is described as the historical founder of the world's oldest vegetarian religion---the Jains of India.

Plato (and Socrates) are described as Pythagorean philosophers who are the founders of the Western philosophical tradition.

Plutarch is described as an ancient essayist and biographer, famous for his Lives of notable Greeks and Romans.

Leonardo da Vinci is described as an "Italian Renaissance man; Leonardo is one of Western Civilization's greatest geniuses."

Percy Shelley is described as a "scientist, classicist, aesthete, Shelley was probably the most gifted English Romantic poet."

Leo Tolstoy: "Nineteenth century Russian author, Tolstoy is considered to be the world's greatest novelist."

Annie Besant: "Nineteenth century English social reformer and spiritual once a feminist, a labor leader, a theosophist, a freethinker, a devoted mother and a founder of the planned parenthood movement. She is one of the most remarkable women of modern times."

Mohandas Gandhi: "Indian civic and spiritual leader; inventor of the hunger strike; architect of Indian independence; father of modern India."

George Bernard Shaw: "Celebrated wit; peerless music and drama critic; essayist and dramatist of genius."

Bronson Alcott: "American transcendentalist philosopher; father of Louisa May Alcott; founder of the first vegetarian commune, Fruitlands."

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg: "World-class surgeon, pioneering nutritionist, and food inventor extraordinaire. Kellogg invented peanut butter, flaked cereals, and the first meat substitutes made from nuts and grains."

Henry Salt: "Venerable figure in the vegetarian movement; author of such vegetarian classics as Seventy Years Among the Savages, and Animal Rights."

Frances Moore Lappe: "Author of Diet for a Small Planet (1971), Lappe's two million copy bestseller put vegetarianism on the map, and awakened Westerners to the nutritional and economic benefits of a vegetarian diet."

Isaac Bashevis Singer and Malcolm Muggeridge are described as "the first major literary figures in the West to turn vegetarian since Tolstoy."

Brigid Brophy: "Noted for her formidable intellect, Brigid Brophy is an English novelist, biographer, and critic of the first rank. She is the first major woman novelist to become a vegetarian."

Ethical considerations influenced Benjamin Franklin, who became a vegetarian at age sixteen. Franklin noted "greater progress from that greater clearness of head and quicker apprehension." In his autobiographical writings, Benjamin Franklin called flesh-eating "unprovoked murder."

The poet Percy Shelley was a committed vegetarian. In his essay, "A Vindication of Natural Diet," he wrote, "Let the advocate of animal food...tear a living lamb with his teeth and, plunging his head into its vitals, slake his thirst with the steaming blood... Then, and only then only, would he be consistent."

Shelley's interest in vegetarianism began when he was a student at Oxford, and he and his wife Harriet took up the diet soon after their marriage. In a letter dated March 14, 1812, his wife wrote to a friend, "We have foresworn meat and adopted the Pythagorean system." Shelley, in his poem "Queen Mab," described a world where humans do not kill animals for food.

"It is necessary to correct the error that vegetarianism has made us weak in mind, or passive or inert in action," wrote Mohandas Gandhi. "I do not regard flesh-food as necessary at any stage."

Gandhi wrote several books in which he discussed vegetarianism. His own daily diet included wheat sprouts, almond paste, greens, lemons, and honey. He founded Tolstoy Farm, a community based on vegetarian principles.

In his Moral Basis of Vegetarianism, Gandhi wrote, "I hold flesh-food to be unsuited to our species. We err in copying the lower animal world if we are superior to it...I do feel that spiritual progress does demand at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for the satisfaction of our bodily wants."

Kim Bartlett of Animal People in Clinton, WA, similarly writes:

"Something to think about: We believe that the Golden Rule applies to animals, too. We don't accept the prevailing notion that 'people come first' or that 'people are more important than animals.' Animals feel pain and suffer just as we do, and it is almost always humans making animals suffer and not the other way around. Yet in spite of how cruelly people behave towards animals -- not to mention human cruelty to other humans -- we are supposed to believe that humans are superior to other animals.

"If people want to fancy themselves as being of greater moral worth than the other creatures on this earth, we should begin behaving better than they do, and not worse. Let's start treating everyone as we would like to be treated ourselves."
Food expert Frances Moore Lappe, author of the bestseller Diet for a Small Planet, once said in a television interview that we should look at a piece of steak as if it were a Cadillac.

"What I mean," she explained, "is that we in America are hooked on gas-guzzling automobiles because of the illusion of cheap petroleum. Likewise, we got hooked on a grain-fed, meat-centered diet because of the illusion of cheap grain."

As it stands now, about half of the harvested acreage in America and in a number of European, African, and Asian countries is used to feed animals. If the earth's arable land were used primarily for the production of vegetarian foods, the planet could easily support a human population several times its present size.

I understand there are conservative Christians who fear vegetarianism... which is kind of like being afraid of nonsmoking, nondrinking, or recycling.

Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.

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Posted by Vasu Murti on 04/02/2012 at 12:42 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

The following points and facts are excerpted from Please Don't Eat the Animals (2007) by the mother-daughter writing team of Jennifer Horsman and Jaime Flowers:

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

--Albert Einstein

"Each year, the meat industrial complex abuses and butchers nearly nine billion cows, pigs, sheep, turkeys, chickens, and other innocent, feeling animals just for the enjoyment of consumers.

"Each year, nearly 1.5 million of these consumers are crippled and killed prematurely by heart failure, cancer, stroke, and other chronic diseases that have been linked conclusively with the consumption of these animals.

"Each year, millions of other animals are abused and sacrificed in a vain search for a 'magic pill' that would vanquish these largely self-inflicted diseases."

--Alex Hershaft, PhD, president, Farm Animal Reform Movement

When analyzing 8,300 deaths in the United States, United Kingdom, and Germany among 76,000 men and women in five different, large studies, researchers concluded that vegetarians have a 24 percent reduction in death from heart disease.

Similarly, in the famous Oxford Vegetarian Study, where 6,000 vegetarians were compared with 5,000 meat-eaters over nearly two decades, scientists found that the rate of death from heart disease was 28 percent lower in vegetarians than in meat-eaters.

One study analyzed eighty scientific studies in leading medical journals. The analysis found that vegetarians had lower blood pressure, and were less likely to suffer from stroke, heart attack, and kidney failure.

A large German study of nearly 2,000 vegetarians found that deaths from heart disease were reduced by over one-third, and that heart disease itself was far less than that of the general population.

Another large study examined the coronary artery disease risk of young adults ages 18 to 30 and vegetarians were found to have much higher levels of cardiovascular fitness and a greatly reduced risk of heart disease.

"The process of gradual blocking of the coronary arteries begins not in adulthood but in childhood...and the main cause of this arteriosclerosis is the steadily increasing amount of fat in the American diet, particularly saturated animal fats such as those found in meat, chicken, milk and cheeses.

"If there was another disease that caused half a million deaths a year, you can be sure that the public would be acutely aware of the danger, and that the cure or prevention would be universally practiced."

--Dr. Benjamin Spock, author, child expert

"I don't understand why asking people to eat a well-balanced vegetarian diet is considered drastic, while it is medically conservative to cut people open and put them on powerful cholesterol-lowering drugs for the rest of their lives."

--Dr. Dean Ornish, author, Reversing Heart Disease

Stroke is the third leading cause of death behind heart disease and cancer. Vegetarians have a 20 to 30 percent reduced risk of having a stroke. Stroke, like heart disease, is associated with diets high in saturated fats, and the vegetarian diet is naturally low in these fats.

The Oxford Vegetarian Study found cancer mortality to be 39 percent lower among vegetarians when compared with meat-eaters. The European Prospective Investigation of Cancer found vegetarians suffer 40 percent fewer cancers than the general population.

Studies have shown that decreasing a woman's animal fat intake can reduce the chances that she will die from breast cancer. A large-scale, long-term study in the Netherlands found a powerful connection between the amount of animal fat consumed and the rate of prostate cancer. A review of a dozen studies found dietary fat strongly correlated with prostate cancer.

Ovarian, uterine, and endometrial cancers have all been shown to be strongly correlated to the amount of animal fat in one's diet, and vegetarian women have significantly lower rates of these cancers.

"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all the natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined."

--Dr. Neal Barnard, Executive Director, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

"Vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rate of coronary disease of any group in the country. They have a fraction of our heart attack rate and they have only 40 percent of our cancer rate."

--William Castelli, MD, Director, Framingham Heart Study

"Human beings are not natural carnivores. When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings..."

--Dr. William Roberts, editor-in-chief, American Journal of Cardiology

Les Brown of the Overseas Development Council calculates that if Americans reduced their meat consumption by only ten percent per year, it would free at least twelve million tons of grain for human consumption--or enough to feed sixty million people.

There must be a moral or an ethical basis for one’s vegetarianism, otherwise one is likely to backslide, and return to flesh-eating. The nutritional data keeps changing, which causes opponents of animal liberation to react with amusement.

Opponents of animal liberation liken it to a scene in Woody Allen’s 1973 movie, Sleeper, in which a natural food faddist, unwillingly placed in suspended animation, wakes up two hundred years into the future, to find that what he’d thought would be the wave of the future, didn’t happen…

…the foods that were thought to be unhealthy in the 20th century were found to be health-supporting in the 22nd century.

In the ’70s, Dr. Tarnower’s Scarsdale Diet had a vegetarian option which was practically vegan, as dairy products were excluded. But Dr. Tarnower permitted diet sodas without restriction, which nutritionalists now are saying should be consumed less frequently.

In The MacDougall Plan (1983), Dr. John MacDougall advocated a plant-based diet, high in fiber and complex carbohydrates, with no animal products, oil or salt. And no intoxication, including no caffeine.

Keith Akers in A Vegetarian Sourcebook (1983), similarly said:

“Almost any vegetarian diet is an improvement over the typical Western diet, but the best diet of all would also eliminate refined and processed foods, as well as most (if not all) animal products — in short, a total vegetarian (vegan), whole foods diet. This is a fairly radical claim, and one which should not be accepted uncritically…”

John Robbins’ Pulitzer Prize nominated Diet for a New America (1987) makes veganism appear as reasonable and mainstream as recycling.

John Robbins shows in easy-to-read language, with charts and graphs, that most of the degenerative diseases plaguing the affluent West are self-inflicted wounds, and are virtually unknown in other parts of the world…

…and migration studies show that when persons immigrate to the United States and begin eating animal products in excess, they’re plagued by the same diseases as everyone else. Genetics and heredity are not a discernible factor.

My friend Greg Sims and I heard John Robbins speak in Solana Beach, CA in July 1989, where John Robbins said he’d recently appeared on the television talk show Geraldo… indirectly indicating just how mainstream his vegan views in Diet for a New America really are!

John Robbins said the evidence continues to mount: autopsies on heart patients show saturated fat and cholesterol as the problem — not spinach and tofu!

And that a diet high in fiber and complex carbohydrates, moderate in protein, and low in cholesterol is health supporting.

The Atkins diet (popular over a decade ago) went against the mounting evidence, although the real intent of the Atkins diet was not good health but quick weight loss.

When Dr. Atkins passed away, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) said his death was indicative of the dangers posed by the Atkins diet.

Peter Singer (author, Animal Liberation) himself admits his Introduction to Keith Akers’ A Vegetarian Sourcebook:

“Despite all the books on vegetarianism, there is a need for a thoroughly reliable sourcebook covering all the main arguments for being a vegetarian of one sort or another. There cannot be a definitive book that will do this for all time, for new medical evidence keeps coming in, and the ecological situation and the treatment of farm animals are gradually changing.”

At the World Vegetarian Day festival at Fort Mason in San Francisco, CA, in September 2000, Elliot Gang, a writer for the now-defunct Animals’ Agenda told Gaverick Matheny of Vegan Action and myself that advocating vegetarianism for health reasons is comparable to saying, “Rape is wrong, because you might catch venereal disease.”

No. In each case the moral reason is the real reason to abstain. Because we live in such a narcissistic society, it’s not surprising people are won over by the health arguments first.

It’s comparable to the bumper sticker which reads:

“Don’t Drink and Drive. You Might Hit a Bump and Spill Your Drink.”

Again: my understanding is there must be a moral basis for one’s abstaining from meat, fish, fowl, etc., just like abstaining from cannibalism, because otherwise it’s very easy to backslide and return to flesh-eating.

As an example, in the late ’80s, I met a woman volunteering with San Diego Animal Advocates. She said when she first became a vegetarian, she was doing so for health reasons, and didn’t think a piece of turkey at Thanksgiving or Christmas would hurt her. But she said when she learned about factory farming, animal abuse, etc. she won’t touch meat, period!

Congressman Dennis Kucinich first went vegan in the ’90s, influenced by a past girlfriend. I’ve heard that Ingrid Newkirk (Executive Director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) encourages vegans to sleep around, convince their significant other to go vegan, and then move on to someone else, to increase the number of vegans!

This could have adverse effects: if the break-up is less than pleasant, one of the partners might return to meat-eating out of spite!

Again, a moral or ethical basis must be at the heart of one’s vegetarianism. The nutritional data keeps changing…

But as an ethic, vegetarianism (not harming animals), like pacifists or pro-lifers, has stood the test of time and has served as the basis for entire religious traditions. (Buddhism, Jainism, Pythagoreanism, and possibly early Christianity all immediately come to mind.)

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Posted by Vasu Murti on 04/02/2012 at 12:16 PM

Re: “Oakland Goes Veg

Excellent, well-written article! Good job. And you couldn't pick better people to interview than Kristie Middleton and Colleen Patrick-Goudreau. Thank you.

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Posted by Leslie Robinson Goldberg on 03/31/2012 at 11:35 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

I didn't see this new comment from Agent Grant Washington, Panelist, Scientific Review Commission Re: "The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat" so I guess I'll just post it myself. It deserves to be notated:


Eating "Grass fed beef" is now confirmed to act like estrogen. Most people already know that 99% of ALL meat in the supermarket and at fast food and even fine dining restaurants is implanted with growth hormones. But what most people don't know, contrary to a recent "fad" that claimed that grassfed meat was hormone-free, is that it turns out there is nothing in the rules for grass-fed beef that say farmers can't inject pasture raised grassfed cattle with growth hormones. In other words, farmers can feed cattle grass then implant the grassfed cows full of synovex-s, estradiol, progesterone, zeranol, and other processed chemicals and still call it grassfed beef and sell it. Many people who are not very educated in nutrition or science erroneously believe that grassfed beef means hormone-free, it does not. But that's not all...


It turns out that 100% of ALL meat, particularly when grilled, has turned up testing positive for estrogenic compounds, especially plain un-processed barbequed redmeat. Many consumers thought that if they had bought meat that was specifically stamped "hormone-free" or "organic", that it would not be feminizing when eaten, this is now found to be false. When cooked, studies now show that meat produces a chemical compound called "Heterocyclic Amines" or HCA's for short. Eating ALL meat, especially grilled, including beef, steaks, pork, bacon, hamburgers, hotdogs, even chicken and fish, and even organic meat, and even meat that is confirmed "hormone-free" still contains these estrogin mimicking chemicals. View the compounds found in meat as follows:

Estrogenic chemicals and carcinogens found in Grassfed Organic beef and all meat:
The Heterocyclic Amines (HCAs) found in meat were :
2-amino-3-methyl-imidazo [4,5-f]quinoline (I2Q),
2-amino-3-methylimidazo [4,5-f]quinoxaline (I2Qx),
2-amino-3,8-dimethylimidazo [4,5-f]quinoxaline (MeI2Qx), and
2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo [4,5-b]pyridine (PhIP)

Let's take a look at just the last one: It's nickname is "PhIP". You can remember the name PhIP because "PhIP is Pheminizing". It acts like estrogen in a man's body. Both grassfed beef, and organic meat have tested positive for PhIP. This will come as a surprise to many meat-eaters who mistakenly believed that meat was manly, in fact it turns out that eating loads of meat slowly effeminizes a man's body. Eating red meat, especially when cooked, increases estrogenic behaviour of the compounds in meat, and can potentially result in men gradually growing rounded soft sloped down shoulders, wide feminine hips, a paunch or "pooch" stomach on a man, and chest flab tissue development known as gynecomastia, or known in slang as "manboobs". The next time you attend a meat barbecue, observe the men attending, and see how many, as they increase in age from 20's to 30's to 40's now exhibit an enlarged stomach, rounded shoulders, and wider more girlish looking hip area and possibly a bulged out gut. This is the effect you can see, which happens over years of consuming meat products. Other effects are also occuring internally, hormonally, and are not visible, including genital problems, lack of athleticism, and a sag in sex drive, or weaker performance with the wife or partner.


SCIENCE DAILY: "Researchers find that a chemical that forms in meat, especially charred portions, is a potent mimic of estrogen, the primary female sex hormone." "There's no way to tell visually, by taste, or by smell whether PhIP and its toxic kin lace cooked meat" t took just trace quantities of the heterocyclic amine to spur prolactin production. "Heterocyclic Amine and PhIP was incredibly potent," he says, able to trigger progesterone (female menstrual hormone) production at concentrations in a man comparable to what might be found circulating in the blood of people who had eaten a couple of burgers." -SCIENCE DAILY

Oh, and it's also not good for women. It does not inflate women's breasts, eating grassfed beef which contains PhIP fills a woman's breasts full of lumps. It causes tumour growth. It's carcinogenic.

These four HCAs found in ALL meat, including grassfed beef, and pasture raised, free range, and organic meat as well, (IxQ, MeIxQ, MeIxQx, and PhIP) are listed in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’s 11th Report of Carcinogens (2005) as compounds found to be a human carcinogen.

In confirmation, the International Agency for Research on Cancer has also categorized MeIQ, MeIQx, and PhIP (found in virtually every type of meat) as reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen. In other words, in addition to making men weaker and more womanly, HCA's found in red meat are also classified as a Class 1 carcinogen. These compounds found in meat attack the male system, including causing aggressive prostate cancer, and may contribute to a man ending up with rectal cancer in the man's rear, in men who eat steak and barbequed meat.

To see for yourself, open the following link:
Or simply type "TROUBLING MEATY ESTROGEN" into google. Open the report from ScienceDaily.

Most vegans and vegetarians already know this, except perhaps a small minority who were either not very informed on the subject of science or nutrition and diets, or those who got easily duped by the marketers and claims of grassfed beef. PhIP forms only in meat and animal products. It is tied only to animal protein. PhiP does not form in plants or plant proteins, so vegans and vegetarians would not have this problem. In fact, laboratory tests actually showed men who were vegetarian had higher testosterone than omnivores:

PUBMED Abstract: "Total testosterone (T), total oestradiol (E2) and sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) concentrations were measured in plasma samples from fifty-one male vegans and fifty-seven omnivores of similar age. Free T concentration was estimated by calculation, in comparison with the omnivores, the vegans had 7% higher total Testosterone..."-NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH

This may explain why a large number of MMA fighters in the UFC are now going vegetarian or adopting vegan fighters diets. In fact, the entire ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP itself was invented by a Vegetarian, Rorion Gracie, a blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Vegetarians now hold a number of championship belts including the Strikeforce welterweight and middleweight titles, and vegans have now taken the title in a number of iterations of the UFC's The Ultimate Fighter competition. The men have found that the vegetarian or vegan diet increases stamina, build denser higher quality muscle mass, and launches cardio conditioning and the male endurance factor to greater levels than their opponents. Brazilian Jiujitsu used in the UFC was also originated by a fighter who was vegetarian. Tracing the roots of Martial Arts back even further, Kung Fu which originated in China was also coined by vegetarians, the Fighting Monks of the Shaolin Temple. And the origins of martial arts traced to Bodhidarma who was from India, a buddhist, who was also vegetarian. In addition, the biggest most massive bodybuilder now in the world is a vegetarian. The vegetarian stands 7 Feet 3 inches tall, and weighs over 435 pounds of muscle mass. He is a police officer from India named Dalip Singh. To give you an idea just how big the vegetarian bodybuilder is, he literally dwarfs Ronnie Coleman, who would come up to roughly his Armpit, and is about double the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger. In other words, if you thought vegetarians couldn't get protein or build muscle, that would be wrong. In fact, all the protein in a steak came from a cow, that got all the protein from plants in the first place. In addition, if you take a look at the best protein sources in a bodybuilding nutrition store, they aren't meat, they're virtually all vegetarian. In other words, you don't see Meat-powder, or Fish electrolyte drinks, or Pork Shakes. The protein sources for powerlifters, bodybuilders, and trainers are Whey Protein (from milk, lacto-vegetarian), Albumin protein (from eggs, ovo-vegetarian), and Hemp, Spirulina, Soy, and Pea protein (from plants, complete proteins and all vegan). Plants contain huge amounts of protein. In fact, its the original source of it.

If you were a vegetarian, who mistakenly got duped into the claims surrounding grassfed beef, sorry. Usually most vegetarians are more informed on nutrition and already know the correct information on that and know that grassfed beef is feminine and has been found to be carcinogenic. It's mainly omnivores that have been lead into the erroneous information on that. If you see a person claiming how they now 'eat only grassfed beef' or something of that nature, this is a person who has been lead into believing these claims and is usually not familiar with the actual science, regulations, or the actual results of the laboratory testing and the potent effects found to affect men. Note that it also does not matter if a person from a farm asserts that all their cows they raise are surely hormone-free, or organic, or whatever the posting may claim, because as soon as you cook it, that red meat is also now estrogenic to men. So these pasture raised farmer claims can be essentially dismissed as anecdotes.

It's funny whenever anyone is seen advocating meat talking about "omega 3 fatty acids", because omega3's don't come from meat at all. All omega3's originate in plants. One more time, that will be repeated so it is understood: no animals can originate omega3's. No, not cows, and no, not fish either. So, why do you see all over the place so many people touting fatty fish or fish oil for omega3's? Well, it's because the fish were EATING the original omega3 plants. Omega3's are produced only by plants. The only reason they are in fish, is because they've been eating the ocean plants. So you can obtain all those omega3's including ALA and EPA, and yes, you can obtain DHA as well all from plants. So despite what you've heard about all the supposed 'deficiencies' of it, and also the supposed 'rich sources' of omega3's, the fact is, beef can't produce omega3's. So what's happening here is that the fish industry has leftover fishheads and parts, and is wanting to have a use for their leftover waste, so they pulverize the fish waste and then press it to squeeze out the oil and then sell it as highly touted fish oil. The problem is, if you eat fish oil, or fish, or feed it to your child, fish and fish oil have also been tested and found to be severely contaminated. Fish and fish oil contain DIOXIN, METHYLMERCURIC POISON, and TOXAPHENES which can damage the health of your baby, or child, or you. Fish contains mercury, there's no way around it. All the person can do is now talk about *which* fish merely don't have so much of it, as opposed to which fish are soaked with it, and tell you to ingest the ones that just 'have less' contamination, since they cannot any longer argue that it's clean. They're just arguing which one is dirtier, effectively like arguing which one is better to eat, the piece of fish you dropped on your bathroom floor, or the one that fell right in the toilet. Which one would you rather fish out and taste? They're arguing that the one that "just" fell on the floor is best for you to eat. And so how do omega3's get into the cow? Well, as you see, the cows are eating from the pasture. It means the omega3's are coming from plants, so now this grassfed beef market trying to also cling onto this omega3 fad and claiming that beef and meat is a 'rich source' of omega3's not telling you that previously the beef was being fed omega3 plant supplements in their feed, and now they are getting omega3's from plants by eating it. So the vegetarian was already getting amounts of omega3's. And getting it from the original fresh source. (Example: walnuts, blueberries, acaiberries, spirulina, etc). So by eating beef, a vegan would actually be potentially decreasing their omega3's.

In addition, be alerted, that excessive DHA has now been linked aggressive prostate cancer! The human body (as in a man who is vegetarian), can convert ALA into DHA, and your own body does it in exactly the right amount. Those touting beef or eating fish will be seen touting that your body only converts a certain amount, well, that's the CORRECT amount. They will try to portray this as somehow deficient, not telling you that by touting ingestion of extra DHA fish oil, those extra amounts of DHA from fish and fish oil have been connected to AGGRESSIVE Prostate Cancer in men. In other words, the vegetarian would have just the right amount, and can produce more of it anytime, but the fish eater or grassfed beef eater juiced with extra overage of DHA may end up with cancer of his man-parts. Look up "DHA Aggressive Prostate Cancer" for the truth about this fact.

- So a person who changed from eating vegetarian to eating grassfed meat because of less fat, was already eating less saturated fat to begin with as a vegetarian, so they just increased their risk of heart un-healthy fat.

- A person who changed from vegetarian to eating grassfed beef for omega3's is actually rather silly because omega3's don't even come from beef, they can only be originated by plants, so the vegetarian will now have reduced their omega3's by eating the meat. It's only a problem for meat-eaters in the first place.

- An individual switching from vegetarian to eating pastured meat claiming it's because they can now eat less, is also rather amusing, because generally most people are trying to do the exact opposite! Most people aren't sitting around trying to think of how they can figure out how to escape the "terrible burdon" of being able to eat and enjoy more food and wider varieties, most people are generally saddened by being obese or overweight and trying desperately to figure out how they can EAT more, not have to deny themselves, not have to 'diet' and still not gain fat. That's exactly what a vegan diet does, you can eat a wide variety of delicious foods, recipes, and they all come with a wide variety of spices, tastes, seasonings, and aromas, versus only being able to take a small bit of meat and then having to deprive onesself because they are overweight. Remember, if you ever see the words "nutrient dense" that phrase has been found to be incorrect. Vegetarian diets can have just as many or more calories, more protein, and more energy than a diet made up of meat. It's not just salads, vegans eat Italian Food, Pizza, Mexican Food, burritos, tacos, Thai food, spring rolls, Indian food, Curries, Japanese Food, Udon noodles, American submarine sandwiches, etc are all vegetarian or vegan, and these are nutrient dense, energy packed, and vitamin rich. Portobello mushrooms are thick and have the same fullness and stomach filling properties of meat. In fact, if you piled on the coconut oil, cheeses, and whatnot, you could get a vegetarian serving to pack a wallop of energy, fats, and calories, it's just that vegetarians are mostly healthier than that so they are smarter than that. The McDonalds or fried fastfood barbecued meat customer not so much. So anyone talking about switching to eat less is actually rather chuckly. Indeed it seems like a reason that is concocted if not contrived.

- As for ecoli, note that organic cattle are required NOT to be fed anti-biotics. But the reason why cattle are fed anti-biotics in the first place is to kill bacteria! That's what an anti-biotic is. That's what it does. So the reason farmers have had to use them in the first place is because cattle get sick! Ecoli is a zoonotic disease, which means it cannot originate in plants, it comes from animals. Specifically ecoli is ENTERIC, meaning it originates up inside the feces tube up the rear seat of animals. Ecoli reproduces inside the butt. And it is internal to the animal. That's why they are given anti-biotics, to kill that, and also the other bacterial diseases that cattle get, including Scabies. If the grassfed cattle are not given anti-biotics, they may have MORE ECOLI, not less. Because they are not given any anti-biotics to kill it in the first place. Therefore beef from a grassfed cow that is anti-biotic free may be teeming with ecoli fecal bacteria. It doens't come from grain. That would be an absurd insinuation. Plants can't originate ecoli, that type of bacteria can only reproduce inside an animal. The only way it gets onto produce is because some livestock farmer tracked it on his boot into the truck bed and then the produce touched the funk on his shoes, or the meat farmer used pasture water to irrigate his spinach crop. Thus the bacteria came out of the cow's rear, plopped in the pasture, and it rained and water overflowed onto the crops in the adjacent field or the meat farmer stepped in it and contaminated the plants. So grassfed meat without anti-biotics may have MORE ecoli, streptococcus, staphylococcus, and MRSA (flesh-eating) bacteria, than those given anti-biotics. This is NOT a cheer for anti-biotic use, this is just the facts. The problem is, beef farmers have been dosing ALL the cattle herds with antibiotics, not just the sick cows. But all of them, including they healthy ones. So what has happened is that now due to meat-farmers, the bacteria is now resistant. In fact, the day might come where your child goes to the hospital for an infection, and the doctors give your child antibiotics to save their life and now due to meat-farmers the strain is resistant and none of the antibiotics work. In other words, there is no win here. With the meat, either using anti-biotics, or not using antibiotics can result in death. Antibiotics do not need to be used for items in a vegan diet because these enteric bacteria cannot originate in plants.

-In addition, no human can contract any pernicious virus from a plant. You can catch a virus from meat animals. Bird Flu is one. Remember the SARS virus which killed thousands? That virus came from eating meat. Animals are what contain Viruses that are communicable to mankind. The HIV AIDS virus came from men who were attempting to hunt animals in order to eat meat. Men in africa hunted and killed chimps that carried the SIV virus for bushmeat. SIV from the blood from slaughter mutated to HIV and now it means that the men's desire to eat meat lead to the infliction of the AIDS virus on all mankind. Eating meat has now killed upwards of 25 million human lives.

-Handling meat can result in virus infection. If you touch meat or beef, MEAT can carry a variant of the HERPES VIRUS. There are butchers mentioned in this article, and vegetarians who are "purported" to now be handling meat. Do this... Open any search engine, and do a search for "BUTCHERS WARTS". It chronicles the fact that many people who handle meat have a high incidence of contracting a variant of the HERPES virus from contact with meat. It's highly prevalent in butchers. Don't believe it? Go look. "Butchers Warts" can infect the hands of those touching steaks and animal meats.


PHYS-ORG SCIENCE NEWS: "Studies have identified a number of compounds in meat that might account for the association between Meat and Cancer. These include heterocyclic amines, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, and N-nitroso compounds." -PHYSORG. BBQ'd meat, and pieces of beef, pork, chicken, etc, when put on a barbeque, especially when grilled to produce the coveted diagonal 'grill marks' on the meat or sausages, produces Heterocyclic amines, which act like effeminizing estrogen when eaten by a man. Note that this applies to ALL Meat, whether grassfed, organic, wild game, deer, or factory farmed. All meat, found to contain heterocyclic amines when cooked, has now been linked to bladder cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, breast cancer, stomach cancer, and testicular sac cancer. Note also that red meat, including sustainable grassfed, contains "haeme" or heme iron which is a known MUTAGEN shown to cause human DNA damage. Plants are clear of it. Plants contain the more beneficial non-heme phytonutrients, so vegetarians do not have this problem. This compound in meat is a severe Oxidant, the exact opposite of the desirable Anti-oxidants you have heard of, so the compounds interwoven all throughout meat tissue and cannot ever be extracted are now shown to be destructive to cells and can cause diabetes and accelerated aging. Human tissue destructive heme exists only in Meat.


To verify this fact type: "TROUBLING MEATY ESTROGEN" into any search engine - view the report from Science News and Confirm it for yourself.

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Posted by Bea V Elliott on 03/30/2012 at 10:45 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

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Posted by Editor on 03/30/2012 at 8:09 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

This is what happens when people choose vegetarianism or veganism for health reasons rather than non-violence reasoning. There is no reason to eat the flesh of another living, feeling, thinking beings. Most of the grass-fed operations truck the animals to slaughterhouses and kill them in the prime of their life. The meat producers in the local food movement in our state ALL send their animals out of state to be killed. How local is that? And, as for the "plants feel pain" argument, vegans kill far fewer plants.....since animal ag recycles plant protein through living beings and it takes much more plant material to product animal products than to eat the plants directly.

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Posted by Rae Sikora on 03/29/2012 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Oakland Goes Veg

Thank you for sharing this info! Going vegan was one of the best decisions I've ever made for myself, the environment and of course the animals. Sounds like a fantastic week- Wish I could be there!

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Posted by Liz Dee on 03/29/2012 at 8:15 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

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Posted by Editor on 03/28/2012 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Oakland Goes Veg

Love Compassionate Cooks! Thanks for posting about this event in Oakland, I hope Atlanta does similarly well this summer!

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Posted by Pamela DeRitis on 03/28/2012 at 6:35 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

It's very easy to write off any ethical side of supporting the meat business by throwing out "murder" as a reason not to. why don't you actually learn about the sustainable farming and consumption of pasture raised animals before you stand tall with your opinions. Read this. If this makes no logical sense to you then your just as bad as those that you despise.…

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Posted by Mario Lopez on 03/28/2012 at 5:55 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

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Posted by Editor on 03/28/2012 at 5:25 PM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

While it's certainly incumbent on those of us living with the moral ambiguity of eating meat to ensure that the meat in question comes from animals that at least had decent lives while they were alive, that is one pervy photo.

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Posted by Mary Eisenhart on 03/28/2012 at 11:57 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

Tonja - "Loving" a dead item rather than a living, sentient being is rather disturbing. Callously so.

And what on earth do unborn fetuses have to do with the violence inflicted on innocent living ones? If you think eating animals is ethical - Argue that point... Don't muddy the water with irrelevant straw men. It's Kettle Logic.

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Posted by Bea V Elliott on 03/28/2012 at 11:20 AM

Re: “The Benefits of Pasture-Raised Meat

As the plants you are killing scream out in mercy from being plucked from the ground. I mean, if we're going with all living things have souls, ya know. *sarcasm* I love meat and am so glad I have options to eat "happy" animals. The slaughter is humane. I mean, I'd be willing to bet the vegetarians up in arms over this are the same people who would abort their baby if it weren't wanted. And studies have been done on the pain these babies feel during this process. Sheesh.

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Posted by Tonja Field on 03/28/2012 at 10:57 AM

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