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Re: “Savor Filipino Comes to Oakland

Please include / interview Needa Bee - the Lumpia Lady - a Filipino Oakland original!
maowunyo de asis

Kin Folkz

Posted by Kin Folkz on 10/12/2016 at 12:12 AM

Re: “East Bay Breakfast Spots that Don't Involve Waiting in Long Lines

Interesting that you didn't find a line at Jim's on a weekend? We went last year and there was a good-sized line even at 11a. The line moves fast, tho; those waitresses are pros!

Posted by Jean Komatsu 1 on 10/09/2016 at 8:32 AM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Yeah I remember djing a bar at the lake and them saying the music wasn't right and that they wanted a certain crowd and it "wasn't a race thing" but it clearly must have been because they certainly couldn't phrase what was wrong with the crowd without brining up race. It was the first time someone had been that upfront about the kind of unspoken racism that a lot places out here perpetuate. It was a few years ago and it's another place altogether now.

Posted by mstardust on 10/05/2016 at 4:01 PM

Re: “Four East Bay Sodas Perfect for Sipping — or Pairing with Ice Cream for Floats

If we tax soda then we should also tax other toxics that are out there causing harm to our bodies. Hurting the poor or not... Taxing anything because of our health should go across the board or nothing at all. Its ridiculous and is getting out of hand. It's like trying to get McDonald's to sell healthy food. People who want to eat healthy do not frequent McDonald's.

Posted by Diane Acosta on 10/04/2016 at 11:36 PM

Re: “Four East Bay Sodas Perfect for Sipping — or Pairing with Ice Cream for Floats

"..hurts the poor". Is this fact or fantasy? It seems to me that soda tax could just as easily benefit the poor, pricing out of their reach toxic products causing diabetes, heart problems, high blood pressure and any number of other health problems stemming from obesity. Seems like an excellent way to counter the overwhelming power of those who manufacture such products. We tax cigarettes to help pay for the health care costs of treating smoking-related diseases. Taxing toxic 'foods' seems a logical next step.

Posted by PhilipH on 10/03/2016 at 8:38 PM

Re: “Four East Bay Sodas Perfect for Sipping — or Pairing with Ice Cream for Floats

So if you love soda why are you for the soda tax? It only hurts the poor.

Posted by Jane Smith 1 on 10/02/2016 at 6:29 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

It's not genetrification, and I get that bars come and go. What Oakland DOESN'T need is more hipster bars with "mixologists"! So sick of seeing overpriced cocktails, and food at the "newest, hottest, lame ass" bar.

Posted by fabbertin on 10/01/2016 at 6:04 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

GO sports bar closing is a serious bummer. It's not about having a dive bar to go to or about gentrification or changing with the times. Oakland is missing a Good quality sports bar with tons of TVs and all the games playing on Sundays. Somewhere where you can order a light beer without a judgemental look. It doesn't need another boring cocktail lounge where I can get a $14 artisanal bourbon in rose petal water. THAT is what we have enough of.

Posted by cardo on 10/01/2016 at 5:01 PM

Re: “A Glutton's Guide to Hayward

Val's is known nationwide. Great to see these lesser known eateries get some acknowledgment.

Posted by Donna1 Iam on 09/30/2016 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

FWIW Kim's Backyard was closed by Kim because she was retiring. After she retired the bar was vacant for months until we finally heard it was bought. Source: live across the street, frequented there for long time.

Posted by Leon Rou on 09/30/2016 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

p.s. the name "rockridge improvement club" is intended to be ironic. it's actually the original name for the space, which was initially occupied by a pro-prohibition group when it was built in 1912.

Posted by Julia Johari on 09/30/2016 at 2:05 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Someone who moves in a working class area from an outside neighborhood with a pocket full of cash and no ties to the current community, is contributing to gentrification. Scott Ayers is not. The owners of "Ye Olde Hut" weren't pushed out - they wanted to sell. The appearance of the bar hasn't changed at all other than him having literally two weeks to replace all the floors, by law, because they were ROTTING - he would not have been allowed to open if he didn't do it. For anyone who actually went to the Hut recently, the Ping Pong table was actually taken out before they closed - I don't know if this is true, but I heard it required a cabaret license, which the bar does not have. He sells craft cocktails that, while not usually my thing, are extremely tasty and created by local Oakland bartenders who have been around forever. They're not doing anything that they weren't already doing at other spots in Oakland. You can also get a Miller High Life + a shot for $5, as well as Zachary's Pizza, which already exists around the corner. Scott has been working in the service industry, literally across the street from this bar since 1994, and living from paycheck to paycheck for the past 15 years! Knowing how tough things have been for him with recent unemployment, and the struggle to survive in the bay area in general, as a friend, I'm extremely proud of him for opening this bar!

Posted by Julia Johari on 09/30/2016 at 1:26 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Let's turn down the thermostat a notch, people. The G word - gentrification - is so incendiary it's difficult to talk about it with anything resembling our inside voices.

I get it. It's tough. Would you prefer a vacant storefront to an artisanal cheese shop in your neighborhood? What about the Dollar Store next to your favorite Asian fusion restaurant? The answer is not easy, which is why I only pose the question.

Me, I hold out for those pockets of Oakland where unicorns still exist, where, say, a long standing shoe repair shop, or donut place, or mom ‘n’ pop hardware store, can exist cheek-by-jowl with a cocktail bar or exclusive clothing boutique. I know the pressure of increasing rents and a shifting demographic are driving these unicorns away, but those neighborhood pockets are still out there. Let’s cherish them.

The G-world also begs the chicken and egg question: are the newer, cleaner hip places being opened to cater to the more affluent crowd that can afford Oakland's ridiculous rents (average two bedroom apartment $3244), or are the affluent crowds following the leads of new bar owners and upscale entrepreneurs? Again, I only put the question, not the answer, out there, because the issues are maddeningly complex and nuanced.

But I am certain about one thing: this article made me actually feel proud about the dismal (charming?) state of our bathrooms. Alfredo, Ruby Room and Radio Bar.

Posted by Alfredo on 09/30/2016 at 7:21 AM

Re: “Savor Filipino Comes to Oakland

To enlighten those who don't know...

Ramar Foods is the company that pirated the Magnolia logo and brand of ice cream from the Philippines.

Most Filipinos in the United States assume that the "Magnolia" products they see are related to what they grew up with in the Philippines. NOPE... And don't believe the canard that Ramar Foods is a licensed distributor. They are neither licensed nor a distributor.

The "Magnolia" products in the USA with the familiar oval logo is NOT of the Philippines. Niloloko lang ng Ramar Foods at ng Quesada family tayong mga tunay na Pinoy. Huwag kayong mapada-leh.

Tingnan ninyo ang label. It has no San Miguel.

PJ Quesada registered the "Filipino Food Movement" as a non-profit (disgraceful tactic) in order to shield his family's company from criticism for their brand piracy and trademark squatting. This company Ramar built itself based on the theft of Philippine intellectual property. Not just Magnolia, but the Pampanga's Best name as well.

Research it. Be informed consumers. Don't be hoodwinked by this Savor Filipino group -- imagine, pati ang AlDub Nation dinamay pa nila dito. Kesho ang mga Pilipinong sumusuporta sa ADN ay wala daw karapatang to talk about Filipino food. Eh, sila? Ni Tagalog ni Cebuano ni Kapampangan o anupamang wika sa Pilipinas, hindi sila makapagsalita ni katiting.

Nagpapanggap lang sina PJ Quesada na Pilipino daw sila para kuwartahan ang mga tunay na Pinoy na walang kamuang-muang sa pinaggawa ng Ramar.

Huwag tangkilikin ang produkto ng mga nagnakaw sa Pilipinas!!

Posted by Lil Raymundo on 09/29/2016 at 9:28 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Don't forget King's X turned Kona Club.

Posted by Tyler Hutton on 09/29/2016 at 5:36 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Hey Pilar, this is Kolin, former owner of Easy Lounge / The New Easy. First of all, I wanted to commend you on what I generally think is a fair article.

That said, I'm hoping that I can give you and your readers an outsiders perspective on the changing bar scene in Oakland. I moved to Portland a few years ago, and since I have no vested interest in the "scene" in Oakland anymore, I hope this can be more objective than had I still been involved in the industry there.

Ruby Room and Radio should be given credit where credit is due. Prior to these bars arrivals, Oakland was strictly a blue collar kind of drinking town, whether in the Caucasian (McNally's) or African American (Serenader) vein. Of course, there was cross pollination, but one way or the other bars catered to an older kind of crowd. Radio & Ruby seized on the opportunity of more and more young creative people looking for breathing room across the Bay. They truly were the first wave of evolution.

The next series of bars to change things up were created by people who frequented Ruby & Radio. I include Easy in this, and there were many others... Kitty's (who, if memory serves, opened up a few months before us in the space that is now Prizefighter), Van Kleef, The Layover, 355, Somar, just to name a few. We weren't bound by location, but the thing we had in common was that we were generally bootstrapping it but trying to do a little more, whether that was fancier drinks or dj music. Most bars in this wave made a good faith effort to honor Oakland as a multicultural place. We were gentrifying, but we tried to do it the "right way" (if there is such a thing). It was not an easy process, and we got lots of push-back (Kitty's closed partially due to a large fight, and Easy came close on numerous occasions to a similar disaster, for example), but at the end of the day we were able to show folks that it is possible to have black and white, rich and poor, young and old enjoy the same establishment.

The wave that followed, unfortunately, didn't see it that way. Perhaps we didn't do a good enough job educating people about the history of Oakland, but it seems to me that many of the same people that were attracted to what was created by people like Peter Van Kleef also decided that they really wanted something a little more sanitized, a little fancier, and yes a little (now a lot) whiter than what already existed.

Simultaneously, the City of Oakland and the State of California decided to ratchet up the level of regulatory complexity in our industry, which forced most establishments caught in the middle to increase the cost of their product, and justify this by elevating the superficial parts of the bar experience. In other words, it didn't pay to be a neighborhood joint, do nice cocktails, and play by the rules. I guarantee you that there is not a single establishment in Oakland that doesn't at the very least bend the rules in order to make ends meet.

What you see today is the sad result of these two factors.

Frankly, Easy was just as much of an offender as we transitioned to the New Easy. Without boring your readers with the details, in our case we were very conscious of the change and decided in the end we had to do get rid of the DJ booth and elevate the experience, since the neighborhood we were in had changed and a business like ours was not going to be welcome very much longer.

I left Oakland partially because I grew tired of the constant struggle, trying to create a simple life in the face of crime, cost, and regulation, and I wanted my child to grow up in a more bucolic environment. But, in retrospect, while Oakland is not the place for me anymore, I realize now that the struggle is what makes Oakland different and special.

It would be a shame to extinguish the vestiges of this struggle in the name of elevating the bar/restaurant experience.

Posted by knator on 09/29/2016 at 11:43 AM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

I'll have to check out the new Hut space. I stopped going there when they replaced most of the pool tables with ping pong.

Posted by CC Smith on 09/29/2016 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene



That ship has sailed, my friend. Decades ago.

Posted by Victoria Fierce on 09/29/2016 at 10:25 AM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

You work at Penrose and still wrote this article? And put your industry peers on blast? Super lame, dude

Posted by OaklandAlways on 09/28/2016 at 8:46 PM

Re: “Oakland's Dive Bar Aficionados Adapt to the City's Changing Bar Scene

Hey Pilar, it is Cory from 355. I just wanted to clarify a few things in your article. Firstly, before opening as 355 the space was most recently known as Miss Ivy's I believe, Big Al's being sometime before that. The reason I am not entirely certain is that the business was actually abandoned long before we opened over six years ago. The article, I'm sure unintentionally, makes it sound as though my bosses came in and bought it out from under someone, which simply isn't the case. By the time they came along it had been shuttered for many years. It should also be noted, that they aren't some out-of-towners, or new money, that came in and swooped it up. Patrick has lived in the Bay Area since he was 18 (for the sake of his pride I won't say exactly how long that is, but trust me, it has been a minute) and Travis was born and raised in Oakland. I don't think this would fall under the category of "gentrification" as much as two guys fulfilling a dream in an empty space. As someone who has bartended in Oakland for the past thirteen years, I know the area has changed quite a bit. I remember working at Radio and being pretty much the only game in town. That being said, I think we have to be careful of just labeling all progress as bad or gentrifying. It doesn't factor in that, as with all change, some is good and well intentioned. I would like to think that we at 355 fall into that category. I'm sure you think of your job at Penrose in the same light. And hey! We have Hennessey at 355! :)

Posted by Ann Ayers on 09/28/2016 at 5:21 PM

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