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Re: “Couple In Charge of Ghost Ship Lost Kids to Child Protective Services While Living in Oakland Warehouse

Parents and caregivers and friends please tell your loved ones to never live somewhere where you don't have a lease and where the building is not a residential structure with all its proper city permits for safety. This is not about a city being harsh and preventing people from having the freedom to live where they want, it is about the failure of an individual to embrace the responsibility of providing safe and legal residential living space to third-party individuals who entrusted their now lost young lives. Landlords everywhere take note of this responsibility for the lives of others. David Moss

Posted by grahamgriffin on 12/05/2016 at 11:07 AM

Re: “Operator of 'Ghost Ship' Lived Inside Site of Oakland Warehouse Fire with Wife, Children, Was on Probation

this man just lost a large number of friends, and his home. Nice to see that scruples and common decency don't restrain the EBX from digging up whatever dirt they can on the man.
And you petty spiteful commenters need to recognize that your demonization is basically fueling a witchhunt.
This grave event may be the impetus for a wave of artist spaces being red tagged. Similar to what happened in SOMA after the 89 earthquake.

Posted by Russ D on 12/05/2016 at 9:37 AM

Re: “Couple In Charge of Ghost Ship Lost Kids to Child Protective Services While Living in Oakland Warehouse

Rent is hard to afford when you spend everything on meth and broken Hammonds.

Posted by Alan Rager 1 on 12/05/2016 at 8:30 AM

Re: “Couple In Charge of Ghost Ship Lost Kids to Child Protective Services While Living in Oakland Warehouse

Re: the closing paragraph, there's at least two grammatical errors in the last sentence, and it's implied that the couple lost their previous East Oakland home because the owner raised the rent to an affordable level. Is this what happened?

Posted by Jesus O'Nazareth on 12/05/2016 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Couple In Charge of Ghost Ship Lost Kids to Child Protective Services While Living in Oakland Warehouse

Why always when something like this tragedy takes place not only does the media find a scapegoat, but they expose all these persona matters which are not relevant. I mean who doesn't have issues on this society. Stop blaming one individual, this is a local government problem. The people " representing us" really aren't. They represent themselves and their pocket book by allowing moneyed people to dictate policy such as housing and skyrocketing rents for one.

Posted by foodiexp75 on 12/05/2016 at 8:17 AM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

What were these two thinking? (God and Mother Superior) That "it" wouldnt happen to them? How old were they? Maybe when I was a young adult/kid, when I was invincible and knew everything, I would have scoffed at something like this happening to ME.
But now, at 45, I would have LOVED the eclectic boho artistic altar/shrine space inside the Ghost Ship. However, being painfully aware that anything can happen, to anyone, anytime, anywhere...I would have simultaneously thought "what about a fire?" Thats just from having lived a few years, and yes Ive grumbled many a time about jumping through hoops to do things the way "the Government" dictates they be done. But not only are these two old enough to KNOW BETTER, they are PARENTS as well.
Most people change when they have children, even those who would have previously thrown caution to the wind in regards to their own choices in life. As a parent I could never have slept at night, in a tinderbox like that place OBVIOUSLY WAS, with my children present. I am not one to demand conformation, I relish the unique differences among us ALL...and I try to appreciate each person for who they are ~ but in this case, I dont understand. How could these two "older" PARENTS be so blindly ignorant? So ARROGANT?
To CHARGE people (indeed, mostly younger people...still in their invincible phase) to come into this death trap and party??? KNOWING the electrical situation, the flammability, the manueverability of the place?
Sigh. I dont think they ever intended anyone get hurt, but they did nothing to prevent it, it appears. Tough learning curve.
Why? Why?
I understand their young daughter, 13, was upset about the comments being made about her dad. Someday I hope she understands the bigger picture. Its about RESPONSIBILITY...Its about growing up and trying to manuever through our lives without DOING HARM. Its learning from everything that we experience and reflecting that knowledge back onto the world we live in.

How can two people who tried so hard to appear so enlightened been so in the dark?

Posted by Tina Wilson on 12/05/2016 at 8:17 AM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

I'm as sick of young people dying needlessly as I am of hearing the white supremacist bull crap. I'm white and from where I stand in not the hater!

Sorry for all the lost ones

Posted by Nina Ison Wittenbarger on 12/05/2016 at 7:40 AM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

Francesca M. Austin, That is a pretty awesome memory to have! No doubt what makes it so memorable is the fact that you were "young and foolish" and because it was "WRONG and DANGEROUS ", yes? :) Taking chances is part of LIVING life rather than simply just EXISTING. There is however a fine line between taking chances and having total disregard for others safety (because you're too busy getting high on meth. Derick Ion, along with the owner of the building deserve jail. ). I mourn the creative young souls that were lost in a fire that never should have happened,

Posted by Carrie Paulson on 12/05/2016 at 7:12 AM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

Angela Talbot, I only (so far) know one person personally who died and she was not white nor the one hispanic person you counted off. Soen intelligently and thoughtfully spelled out what white supremacy means and you completely failed to acknowledge or understand. Read some more, respect the people mourning, and realize that your opinion may not be valid or appropriate right now.

Here's a good place to start in my opinion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-loggins/explaining-white-supremacy-to-innocent-white-people_b_7617828.html

Posted by Mof on 12/05/2016 at 12:04 AM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

There is no reason to be arguing semantics. Respect the dead you fucking pricks and keep your opinions to yourself. This isnt about anyONES opinion. Say your PEACE or move along.

Posted by Sean Johnson on 12/04/2016 at 10:12 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

Must be nice to sit around and point fingers. Your words are ignorance and your opinions are uselss, those of you blaming the space. We get it, and it's in bad taste. The fact that many of you think the queerness and emotional safeness of the space doesn't matter only proves your privilege. The housing crisis here and the expense of safety and living are often unfathomable. You seem so small.

Posted by armoragainstwonder on 12/04/2016 at 8:29 PM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

I fear that the authorities will now, and justifiably so, come down hard on all the warehouse space venues in our wonderful creative city and in other cities as well. No one wants Oaklanders to create or host in death trap situations and the Ghost Ship venue sounds like it was out of hand for quite a while before the terrible tragedy of this weekend.

I was at a concert at the Anderson Theater in NYC MANY years ago (when we were young and foolish) before the building closed (was likely condemned) - Patti Smith - and there were open flame heaters heating the space in January. Outside temperature was in the low teens -- windy outside and freezing inside. We went in, saw the flaming heaters, and proceeded up to sit in the balcony WAY against our better judgment - but we did it. We knew how we got in and how to get out but totally knew the scene was WRONG and DANGEROUS but we froze in line for hours and were damned if would miss this event. When the show started, Patti sang three songs and the NYCFD came on stage to stop the show because the building was a fire hazard. Duh. No surprise there - Patti tried to speak to them then kept on singing and was dragged off the stage screaming out "Rock and Roll N...." with the entire audience shouting along and booing the emergency personnel who were of course 100%CORRECT. It was a crazy, unsafe and unforgettable experience BUT everybody lived to tell the tale.

We were lucky that night. Luck ended at the Ghost Ship this First Friday of December, 2016. My neighbor's friend lived there, smelled smoke, so opened his door, saw stuff falling from the ceilings and ran out. He was in his room watching a movie on TV, and not upstairs. No young people should be put in danger BY ANYONE to listen to music or create their art simply because they allow themselves to be in that situation. When we are young we think nothing bad can happen. But it can and it did this weekend. We have to do better.

Posted by Francesca M. Austin on 12/04/2016 at 8:06 PM

Re: “Building Engulfed by Deadly Oakland Fire Had Pending Habitability Complaints

Building Inspectors and Code Enforcement personnel are on the meat hook for this one.
Big Dog attorneys will hit a grand slam homer with this case.

The City knew what was going on in that warehouse
and did very little about the situation.

Posted by Tony Butcavage on 12/04/2016 at 7:45 PM

Re: “Operator of 'Ghost Ship' Lived Inside Site of Oakland Warehouse Fire with Wife, Children, Was on Probation

One of the allegations was that a group had a sex orgy at the Ghost Ship and didn't clean up after themselves. Derick Ion's son reportedly put a used condom in his mouth.

Posted by Patrick Carroll on 12/04/2016 at 7:32 PM

Re: “Operator of 'Ghost Ship' Lived Inside Site of Oakland Warehouse Fire with Wife, Children, Was on Probation

He and his wife had a CPS case - his three children were removed and eventually returned (though they weren't allowed to return to the collective warehouse due to the living conditions)

Posted by Erica Simanonok on 12/04/2016 at 6:15 PM

Re: “'I Genuinely Thought I Was Going To Die': Reddit User Describes Terrifying Escape From Oakland Warehouse Fire

Alright, I stand corrected about Klub Kommotion and am happy to know all that.
I've been in some pretty unsafe feeling places, there was one on Mission St between 21st and 22nd St. around 10 years ago that was an insane maze (stairs up and then some very illegal stairs down to get to the performance space).
I get what you're saying, Mike, it makes sense. I don't know the details about the Ghost Ship residents worrying about their gear, maybe that was published in another article? We're all upset, maybe I misread the tone of your first post.

Posted by jzarmin on 12/04/2016 at 5:36 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

"Why is everyone so upset about the transgender/people of color comment? Is it sooo bad to acknowledge diversity?" was asked...

I think it's because this was worded as clumsily as something that would come out of Donald Trump's mouth, and it seemed bizarre. The reader instantly starts wondering things like "what about gay people who aren't of color?" or other similarly silly questions that arise out of the "Who's the most marginalized" game? The fire didn't have biases. The fire didn't suffer from implicit stereotyping like a trigger-happy police officer.

Posted by Zephriz Mehne on 12/04/2016 at 5:06 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

An astounding amount of wrong headed and tin-eared victim shaming here. Perhaps if you don't have anything constructive to say you should consider shutting the hell up? We have people already calling for a witch-hunt that will only result in the shut down of alternative venues. So much art has been pushed to the margins already, it's shameful to blame the victim with this.

I wrote this up to bring up some important issues, and it could very well be a response to a lot of you folks. It seems like there are a lot of people that are very naive about the actual laws with this, bringing yourself up to code can often time mean losing the space because we do not have the equivalent of NYC's loft laws.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oaklan…

Posted by Conan Neutron on 12/04/2016 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Artists Who Survived Oakland Warehouse Fire Discuss The Tragedy, Those Missing, Need for Safe Underground Spaces

I totally empathize with the marginalized community. I own a loft a few blocks down. Few times I rented my space to local artists for a show but I also put safety before money. I have working sprinklers, I don't allow people to go to the second floor, I have two emergency exits and I always make sure that the person putting the event together hire 3 or 4 friends who will not drink or use drugs to patrol the party in order to make sure that people don't intentionally set the fire or assault another person or women. I make people sign a contract that use or drugs is not allowed at any time inside the loft. I also don't allow more than 40 people and people under 21. In the contract it says that if any of those rules are broken I can stop the party any time. I've never had any problem. I expect people to act professional and they always did. I may not have too many bookings and I don't give a damn but safety first!

Posted by Lutecia on 12/04/2016 at 4:22 PM

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