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Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

Mr Davidzon said: "The bottom line is that American police kill far more people than police in any other civilized nation. The use of force guidelines, according to Amnesty International, do not meet international norms and standards. Whats even worse is that while delivering this carnage, they are failing to reduce crime to rates on-par with other civilized nations."

That statement ignores the fact that, unlike any other country in the world, the USA has hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of millions of citizens. The threat level to police officers, and therefore the statistics on police killings -- justfied and unjustified -- cannot be compared with any other country.

Posted by Mansour Kilibria on 08/17/2016 at 10:45 AM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

@Mansour Kilibria - the issue you're missing is that police officers are hired help. The employers - ie the taxpayers - have every right to say "you must accept far higher risk of injury and death in exchange for this paycheck".

That is how capitalism works. Some jobs come with risks, and those risks are managed by the employers. In the case of police officers, there is no reason we cannot demand that they radically reduce the number of people they injure and kill, even if doing so implies that we will have more officer injuries and deaths. It is a job and job risks are dictated by employers.

The bottom line is that American police kill far more people than police in any other civilized nation. The use of force guidelines, according to Amnesty International, do not meet international norms and standards. Whats even worse is that while delivering this carnage, they are failing to reduce crime to rates on-par with other civilized nations.

Don't want to accept risk of injury or death? Cannot deliver lower crime? Don't take the job. Someone else will. This is America. We do capitalism here.

Posted by Vladislav Davidzon on 08/17/2016 at 10:41 AM

Re: “Law Enforcement Killed 90 Oakland Residents Since 2000, And 74 Percent Were Black

I saw this remark posted on r/oakland in response to this article. Not my words but they do cast a useful perspective on the article.

From /r/oakland:
Let's examine the incidents & people cited in the EBE article.


[Yuvette Henderson] (http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_27461977/oakland-woman-killed-by-emeryville-police-tried-carjack)

Police shot Ms. Henderson while she was aiming a loaded revolver at them, after she had attempted to *car jack 3 different cars.* Picture yourself as Ms. Henderson in this scene, whatever your age, race, or gender. How would you expect to be treated if you pointed a gun at a police officer? How else could this have played out? She could have dropped the weapon & surrendered.

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[Richard Linyard] (http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-who-died-during-Oakland-police-chase-mourned-6398121.php)

He was asphyxiated. When he trapped *himself* in a narrow space between buildings while trying to escape from police. "Linyard was the only person in the car and allegedly fled on foot and into a nearby yard. Officers waited for backup to arrive before searching the neighborhood, Watson said... ...There was *no active pursuit, no fight, no use of force,*” Watson said. “We were in the process of conducting a search when the officers located this individual.”


How else could this have played out? He could have sat there in his car, hands on the steering wheel, like average citizens do, instead of trying to run.

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[Demouria Hogg]
(http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_29822027/da-oakland-officer-cleared-fatal-shooting)


Having a weapon in plain view inside a car and reaching for it when a police officer taps at the window is not a good idea for a person of *any* description or race. If the fellow was groggy from sleep or drugs, that is unfortunate but also not something the police officer can know or account for in the moment. When someone raises a weapon there is no time for a "hey how ya doin" check-in or a therapy session. How else could this have played out? He could have put his hands up and waited for instructions. With a weapon in plain view, even if he'd put his hands up he still may have gotten shot due to the officer's nerves & bad judgment but chances would have been lower.


[Alan Blueford]
(https://oaklandnorth.net/2012/10/09/district-attorneys-report-officer-justified-in-alan-blueford-shooting/)


Shot while fleeing from police. After being seen directly involved in drug dealing. The details of this incident aren't as clear as in the previous examples but the interpretation "officer felt his life was threatened" seems much better-supported by the evidence than "racist cop kills punk from spite/anger". The youth had a weapon on him and attempted to flee after the police asked him to submit to a search. Pulled out said weapon (i.e. brandishing) while being chased. How else could this have played out? Mr. Blueford could've sat down on the curb, been searched, arrested for illegal firearms possession, booked, and processed.

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Without question, a certain number of suspect deaths at the hands of police are unjustified, and police depts. nationwide need to continue to revise & refine their use-of-force policies. But what articles like this EBE piece and thousands like it often ignore are the how the actions of the "victims" were instrumental in bringing about the killings. It's fair to put "victim" in quotes because the word connotes bad intention from one party toward another -- but so often when police blow somebody away, they are just doing their job because *the suspect or perp* raised the stakes to life-or-death by their own actions, forcing the police toward lethal self-defense or defense of the public at large.

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The EBE's closing quote for the 3-page article:


"Alan Blueford's mother says *its incumbent on police to change.* [Emphasis mine.] "Sadly it's been in our culture for a very long time," Jeralynn said. "The outrage of today is that it's still going on. Decades of killings. ... That's not the way it should be.


"It's up to them to change that. It's too late for Alan."


Really? It's up to the *police* to do the changing? Changing to what, tolerating young men (or anyone) possessing and carrying illegal firearms? Tolerating them ignoring police orders to stop and be searched with (in the Blueford and the Linyard cases ) *obvious* probable cause? Allowing them to run while brandishing a firearm?

Posted by Mansour Kilibria on 08/17/2016 at 10:12 AM

Re: “Getting Schooled: An Overview of this Year's Oakland Unified School Board Races

Rosie is being dishonest here. She was elected with pro-charter money, and for 3.5 years, she compliantly advanced a pro-charter agenda on the School Board. A few months ago, she came out as questioning the pro-charter agenda, and so GO is running two candidates against her. 6 months of pandering to the local community should not outweigh the 42 months that she devoted to helping out of town billionaires get their hands on our public money at the expense of our children.

Posted by Anthony Daquipa on 08/17/2016 at 9:53 AM

Re: “About the Data: What Our Reporters Analyzed to Learn About Officer-Involved Killings in Oakland

I get the point, but intentionally reporting in a vacuum (as is normal at EBX) is just wrong. There have been over 11,500,000 violent crimes in the United States since 2000, 250,000 of which were homicides. We live in an extremely violent society. The whole damn thing needs examination.

Posted by Matt_Chambers on 08/16/2016 at 10:07 PM

Re: “Homelessness, Caltrans, and the East Bay's Forgotten People

Got to say there's a bunch of truth in Ms, Kittell's rant. "Let It Be" is not good policy - just ask City of Albany and how it ignored its waterfront "bulb" property which turned into a giant 200+ homeless camp (with no sanitation, security etc).

What I don't get is that the tent camps are often boarding fenced parking lots which probably belong to Caltrans (since they are within the right of way) and so why not, at least as a stop-gap, open up those lots, add some portable toilets and showers, trash cans, etc. and let them camp with a bit more dignity? How much could that cost? The Express should ask the City why it can't do something like that since it's happened in other cities like Portland and now SF.

Last year I noticed one guy who started living in his car along at a metered parking spot on Lake Merritt. He lived in his car for at least two months before (somehow) the City forced him to move. Not a single parking ticket! How long would my car last parked out there like that?

Posted by Tom Gan on 08/16/2016 at 5:24 PM

Re: “Best Marijuana Strains of Summer 2016

The Haze or the Blue Family of marijuana strains are my favorite! Whether you are aiming for that relaxing body high or an energetic head high, both families offer unique effects. no wonder the world is crazy over any of the Blue or Haze strains.

Posted by Artemis2318 on 08/14/2016 at 11:14 PM

Re: “East Bay Homeless Campers Accuse Caltrans of Illegally Confiscating and Destroying Valuable Property — and Even Family Heirlooms

I posted this comment on another article, but I'm reposting it here. Lies, lies, lies. I've been in these encampments, several times. I've interacted with the people in these photographs. They see an opportunity to gouge the State for money, and they're taking it. Attorney's are loving this. Anyway, here's my reposted comment:

No, no, no, no, no!!! Now this is where I draw the line. I hate articles like this because they're completely one sided. "Harassment from government agencies...," GTFOH!!!!!! I have a pretty in-depth knowledge of how these CalTrans clean-up days work. Yes, homelessness is a problem. I'm not debating that fact, but to expect or imply CalTrans, the State of California, or any police agency should turn a blind eye to these encampments, is ridiculous. Due to the B.S. bureaucracy, CalTrans is required to "post" their clean-up intentions DAYS in advance. Their posting schedule gives people several days notice to move their belongings. Sure as hell, when they come back, the people are STILL there (acting like it's the first time they've heard CalTrans was coming). COME ON!!! CalTrans not only has a pretty regular schedule, but they take photos when they post notices. Not CalTrans' fault the people in the encampments remove the notices. Additionally, when CalTrans arrives, due to the fact they've already posted a notice, they're not REQUIRED to afford the encampment residents with additional time to clean their crap up. They do, but they're not required to. No one wants to be heartless meanie. Due to the ridiculous missing property claims, and lawsuits, CalTrans is now required to videotape (as opposed to simply photographing), the property they discard. They receive claims of jeans worth hundreds of dollars getting thrown away, valuable jewelry going missing...YEAH RIGHT!!! These places are filthy and full of rummaged and/or stolen property!! Don't insult my intelligence.

The people who work for CalTrans and go out and clean these encampments DO NOT have the power to disregard the order of their bosses. They have a job to do. And as a tax paying, home in West Oakland owning (an epicenter for this filth), and resident of California, I expect CalTrans to do their job!! I've been in these encampments (and stepped in "dookie bombs" the homeless left behind), and I've interacted with the hopeless HOMEOWNER who also feels like they're being punished/victimized. I belong to the latter group. So I have to suffer because people feel sorry for the homeless? I have to deal with the filth, trash, noise, and vermin, because people feel sorry for the homeless? What about me, the HOME OWNER, THE TAX PAYER, THE PERSON THAT GOES TO WORK EVERY DAY? What about the tax paying, home owning (or renting) residents who call in or go to the police begging for help with the encampment problem in their neighborhood, and they get brushed off, or their complaints get discarded, because the City and the State's hands are tied? How do you tell a person who does EVERYTHING RIGHT, and "PAYS THEIR DUES", that their complaints are invalid. "Sorry my friend, you're successful and own your home and pay your taxes, but because you're not homeless, we don't care you feel victimized too."

I spoke to one defeated home owner who lived next to an encampment. He said, "I don't understand how these people are not being arrested for trespassing...at the least! If i cut the lock and drove onto State property and started vandalizing stuff, or doing donuts, i would get arrested!!! Why are they not getting arrested ?!!!!" My response was, "Because they're homeless and you're not." But he's absolutely right. This is asinine!!!

And to go back to that line about "harassment." When CalTrans goes into these encampments to DO THEIR JOB, they're threatened, assaulted, and harassed themselves. Sometimes, they're not even CalTrans employees...they're contracted out to some work program. Men and women just trying to earn a living and/or fulfill the terms and conditions of their probation. If some of these homeless people weren't so hostile, perhaps CalTrans wouldn't need the police's assistance. I tell you what, this liberal Oakland City Council and spineless OPD (and their moratorium on the homeless) have made it difficult for other agencies to do their job. Because the City of Oakland and OPD refuse to address the problem, let people live in their cars (illegally parked or not), and let people pitch tents and block the sidewalks (out of compliance with ADA laws and regulations), then the homeless and activist think all other agencies are supposed to do the same. The City of Oakland's and OPD's LACK OF ACTION, is counter productive to the problem. They don't want to victimize the homeless, but they're victimizing the homeowner. oh but wait, NOT IN THE "NICE" NEIGHBORHOODS THOUGH!! Let a homeless person pitch a tent or live in their car on College Avenue, Piedmont Avenue, or Lasalle Avenue. OPD would be on their butt REAL QUICK!!! Hypocrites.

This whole problem gets me worked up, as you can see. I'll get off my soapbox now.

Posted by Melissa Kittell on 08/13/2016 at 6:14 PM

Re: “Homelessness, Caltrans, and the East Bay's Forgotten People

No, no, no, no, no!!! Now this is where I draw the line. I hate articles like this because they're completely one sided. "Harassment from government agencies...," GTFOH!!!!!! I have a pretty in-depth knowledge of how these CalTrans clean-up days work. Yes, homelessness is a problem. I'm not debating that fact, but to expect or imply CalTrans, the State of California, or any police agency should turn a blind eye to these encampments, is ridiculous. Due to the B.S. bureaucracy, CalTrans is required to "post" their clean-up intentions DAYS in advance. Their posting schedule gives people several days notice to move their belongings. Sure as hell, when they come back, the people are STILL there (acting like it's the first time they've heard CalTrans was coming). COME ON!!! CalTrans not only has a pretty regular schedule, but they take photos when they post notices. Not CalTrans' fault the people in the encampments remove the notices. Additionally, when CalTrans arrives, due to the fact they've already posted a notice, they're not REQUIRED to afford the encampment residents with additional time to clean their crap up. They do, but they're not required to. No one wants to be heartless meanie. Due to the ridiculous missing property claims, and lawsuits, CalTrans is now required to videotape (as opposed to simply photographing), the property they discard. They receive claims of jeans worth hundreds of dollars getting thrown away, valuable jewelry going missing...YEAH RIGHT!!! These places are filthy and full of rummaged and/or stolen property!! Don't insult my intelligence.

The people who work for CalTrans and go out and clean these encampments DO NOT have the power to disregard the order of their bosses. They have a job to do. And as a tax paying, home in West Oakland owning (an epicenter for this filth), and resident of California, I expect CalTrans to do their job!! I've been in these encampments (and stepped in "dookie bombs" the homeless left behind), and I've interacted with the hopeless HOMEOWNER who also feels like they're being punished/victimized. I belong to the latter group. So I have to suffer because people feel sorry for the homeless? I have to deal with the filth, trash, noise, and vermin, because people feel sorry for the homeless? What about me, the HOME OWNER, THE TAX PAYER, THE PERSON THAT GOES TO WORK EVERY DAY? What about the tax paying, home owning (or renting) residents who call in or go to the police begging for help with the encampment problem in their neighborhood, and they get brushed off, or their complaints get discarded, because the City and the State's hands are tied? How do you tell a person who does EVERYTHING RIGHT, and "PAYS THEIR DUES", that their complaints are invalid. "Sorry my friend, you're successful and own your home and pay your taxes, but because you're not homeless, we don't care you feel victimized too."

I spoke to one defeated home owner who lived next to an encampment. He said, "I don't understand how these people are not being arrested for trespassing...at the least! If i cut the lock and drove onto State property and started vandalizing stuff, or doing donuts, i would get arrested!!! Why are they not getting arrested ?!!!!" My response was, "Because they're homeless and you're not." But he's absolutely right. This is asinine!!!

And to go back to that line about "harassment." When CalTrans goes into these encampments to DO THEIR JOB, they're threatened, assaulted, and harassed themselves. Sometimes, they're not even CalTrans employees...they're contracted out to some work program. Men and women just trying to earn a living and/or fulfill the terms and conditions of their probation. If some of these homeless people weren't so hostile, perhaps CalTrans wouldn't need the police's assistance. I tell you what, this liberal Oakland City Council and spineless OPD (and their moratorium on the homeless) have made it difficult for other agencies to do their job. Because the City of Oakland and OPD refuse to address the problem, let people live in their cars (illegally parked or not), and let people pitch tents and block the sidewalks (out of compliance with ADA laws and regulations), then the homeless and activist think all other agencies are supposed to do the same. The City of Oakland's and OPD's LACK OF ACTION, is counter productive to the problem. They don't want to victimize the homeless, but they're victimizing the homeowner. oh but wait, NOT IN THE "NICE" NEIGHBORHOODS THOUGH!! Let a homeless person pitch a tent or live in their car on College Avenue, Piedmont Avenue, or Lasalle Avenue. OPD would be on their butt REAL QUICK!!! Hypocrites.

This whole problem gets me worked up, as you can see. I'll get off my soapbox now.

Posted by Melissa Kittell on 08/13/2016 at 6:03 PM

Re: “Hate Man

I'm one of the faces of the crowd that defied the 'authorities', clashed with police, stood up to the Natal Guard army and helped build that park in 1969. Just a few years later, I moved on and spent decades living elsewhere around the country, with occasional visits to Berkeley. I noted some of the changes in the park, and claims about it variously, like acetate overlays atop the original.

I wasn't aware of Hate until some years into my move returning me to East Bay and, off and on, Berkeley again. I only ventured 'Hate Camp' some time later and for some years, Hate and I maintained something of an arm's length, unspoken acknowledgement of one another with especially brief exchanges of pertinent pragmatic information/advisories once in awhile.

Two winters ago, both the University and City police Dept's launched a relatively strict 'enforcement' program, which was routinely conducted nightly. First UPD officers 'swept' the park (formally "closed" at 10pm) hassling and removing people from the park, either to the surrounding curbs or across the streets. Later, BPD officers showed up to drive them out of the neighborhood entirely. This continued for months - until crews showed up early one morn, setting barriers up with police in the background, and began cutting trees down, then shredding those into a 'sawdust/woodchip' which was strewn around.

Finally, there would be nights when only Hate and would be around there. But I had a vehicle. During that spell, I included his camp in my regular round and e increased our interacting quite a bit. However, I wasn't interested nor amenable to what I regarded as essentially a quirky self-styled 'etiquette' and I avoid or resist demands for social performance.

I, too, have a professional career background n print media, including newspapers (starting with the Berkeley Barb in '69), although my emphasis was the visual design/production. I've also authored magazine articles and was a blogger for a well-known 'social justice' website, etc. Hate and I have never discussed these things.

There is more to the guy than I usually see covered in articles like this. For instance, probably most people (including locals) aren't aware of how much picking up of messes and things caused by others that he's doing again and again. Then there are realms of what I may consider more esoteric or metaphysical, but I'll leave it to him to elucidate if and as he pleases. I can't credit that 'camp' as a 'peace keeping' function, since a probable majority of boisterous (or worse) confrontations take place there.

But, of course, he's become an iconic fixture. Personally, I have found that despite the reported refusal of 'handouts' he eagerly accepts certain proffered gifts, which include cups of black coffee, mayonnaise and baked sweets. And he reciprocates in his own ways.

Posted by Christoverre Kohler on 08/12/2016 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Mad Props: A Roundup of the 17 Initiatives on California's November 2016 Ballot

Proposition 53 is essentially an anti high speed rail measure, which the author failed to point out.

Posted by Kent Lewandowski on 08/10/2016 at 1:15 PM

Re: “East Bay Homeless Campers Accuse Caltrans of Illegally Confiscating and Destroying Valuable Property — and Even Family Heirlooms

My Facebook pages provide the solution to the problem...
The information has been provided to the Oakland City Council and to the Attorney for the City of Oakland...
Please read Facebook pages titled,
Real Estate Crisis or Government Sanctioned Racketeering?
Regards, Allen Sanford

Posted by Allen Sanford on 08/10/2016 at 1:00 PM

Re: “Mad Props: A Roundup of the 17 Initiatives on California's November 2016 Ballot

This article is incorrect. Prop 54 does NOT end gut and amend practices. They will still exist, albeit with three days for special interests to blow up compromises. Prop 54 is funded by billionaire Charles Munger, Jr. It will tie the Legislature up in knots and, for the first time, will allow the use of legislative proceedings for attack ads. Vote NO.

Posted by Steven Maviglio on 08/10/2016 at 8:35 AM

Re: “Mad Props: A Roundup of the 17 Initiatives on California's November 2016 Ballot

If representative democracy hadn't become corporate whoring this wouldn't be necessary. It's easy to take ballot initiatives out of the hands of wealthy special interests alone. The Secretary of State should allow signing petitions on their website, to save a great deal of money used to hire petitioners, and to save the Secretary of State the cost of comparing physical signatures. This would also encourage people to read more of the initiative text before signing and to save harassment in hot parking lots.

Posted by Evan Ravitz on 08/10/2016 at 3:11 AM

Re: “City Forcing West Oakland’s Alliance Metals to Close on August 20, But Supporters Argue Recyclers Have No Safety Net

Keep it open and then place a San Francisco-style homeless navigation center nearby. That would solve a human problem. Closing the recycling center solves an aesthetic problem, at a human cost. We can't send away the fact of homelessness. We're just sending it back into our own community, but with desperate people who are now even more broke than before. Yes, bin pickers are annoying. Recycling centers are filthy. But they present an opportunity to connect people with services. Taking away the recycling center wastes that opportunity and replaces it with nothing.
Christopher Fallis
Oakland, CA

Posted by Christopher Fallis on 08/10/2016 at 12:53 AM

Re: “How the Oakland Police Department Worked to Cover-Up Sex Crimes and a Home Invasion Committed by Cops

I WILL TRY THIS AGAIN...I WAS RAPED, IN OAKLAND, CA WHILE RENTING AT OAKLAND, CA SENIOR HOUSING SITE ( IT WAS A SENIOR HOUSING SITE, NOT ASSISTED CARE ETC), AND IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO GET THIS RAPE DOCUMENTED. MY CASE WENT TO OPD IAD AND WAS CLOSED BY OPD IAD AS THE STATUTE HAD EXPIRED TO ARREST THE COP, OR HIS THIRD PARTY FOR SLUMLORD, THAT HAD RAPED ME.
I FOUND OUT, IN 2015, THAT MY ONLY SIBLING, HIS WIFE, HER TWO FAMILY MEMBERS AND MY SIBLING'S DOG, THEIR BUSINESS OF OVER 20 YEARS,AND ETC WERE WILLFULLY WITH MALICE MALICIOUSLY AGGREVATED STALKED, HACKED, STOLEN, RAPED AND MURDERED TO DEATH.
I NOW REPRESENT MY MISSING AND MURDERED ONLY SIBLING, HIS MURDERED AND MISSING WIFE, HIS SISTER-N-LAW AND FATHER-N-LAW AND MY MURDERED AND MISSING SIBLING'S DOG.
I BLAME OPD, FOR NOT ONCE WERE MY OVER 100 VOLUNTARY STATEMENTS, SENT ANYWHERE EXCEPT OPD'S CORRUPT RECORDS DEPARTMENT. I BLAME ALL OF OPD AND THEIR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, ALL THE EX-MAYORS,CITY COUNCIL PERSONS, UNITY COUNCIL, SFBART, ALAMEDA SHERIFF'S DEPT, CHP, ALL THEIR LIAISONS TO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPTS,OAKLAND FBI AND ETC.
I WILL FIND OUT WHO MURDERED MY ONLY SIBLING AND HIS WIFE, HIS WIFE'S TWO FAMILY MEMBER AND HIS DOG.
YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME, OPD & ETC, ON THIS MATTER IN THE FUTURE.

Posted by I'M=THE ONLY CAFFREY on 08/09/2016 at 7:51 PM

Re: “Hate Man

I don't miss you hate man. Fuck you, AND LEAVE ZIZI ALONE.LOVE BIRDMAN

Posted by birdmanofberkeley on 08/09/2016 at 6:11 PM

Re: “How the Oakland Police Department Worked to Cover-Up Sex Crimes and a Home Invasion Committed by Cops

WHY DID U REMOVE MY COMMENTS...SAVING THE ILLEGALS THAT U KNOW AGGREVATED STALKED,HACKED,STOLE,RAPED,MURDERED ME ABD MY IDENTITY ALMOST TO DEATH! GO TO HELL OAKLAND CA.

Posted by I'M=THE ONLY CAFFREY on 08/09/2016 at 5:58 PM

Re: “City Forcing West Oakland’s Alliance Metals to Close on August 20, But Supporters Argue Recyclers Have No Safety Net

I'm surprised and appalled at the shoddy journalism here. Lots of quotes from the for-profit company that is exploiting the homeless. Lots of quotes from the documentarian (who actually seems to be using this issue to promote his film). No mention of the three other recycling centers within a 10-block radius? You quote Alliance on how much they paid out last year but not on how much they made (hint: at least twice that in PROFIT). You have an unattributed quote from the ACLU—could it have been made by Executive Director Abdi Soltani? Not a single quote from someone who lives in the area and has lived there for many years? Or the local pastor who is helping to ensure that Alliance's victims get the services they need?

This isn't about gentrifiers not liking the shopping cart parade. It's neighbors being appalled at the victimization of our unhoused neighbors by Alliance. If the company is so concerned for them, why hasn't it put up a port-a-potty even?

Lazy, lazy reporting.

Posted by copykate on 08/09/2016 at 3:31 PM

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