Letters for the week of April 11-17, 2007 

Readers respond to our story on Pagan parenting.

"Raising Pagans," Feature, 3/28

A model father
Kudos to Chris Nettleson for his openness, acceptance, and support of his wife and her conversion to Paganism. Religious tolerance of our neighbor's beliefs is one thing. Needing to deal in a positive way with the difficult questions your own children raise about spirituality can be extremely difficult, but he is facing these hard questions with a sincere and loving heart. He is a model father and partner.
Shay Black, Berkeley

Such tolerance
Great article, interesting. I am always so astonished by the amount of tolerance that Pagans and Wiccans show toward Christianity — after all, their religion has been almost brutally wiped out by Christians. Mr. Nettleson deserves compliments, but surely Mrs. Nettleson deserves the same!
Daniel Schut, Amsterdam, Netherlands

Who is civilized?
My son was raised in Wiccan traditions and is now bringing up his son in the security of a circle of Pagan friends and family. One thing I have noticed, in my forty-plus years of Wicca practices, is that when we are threatened or slandered by someone's dogma, we in turn learn everything we can about their particular faith in order to defend ourselves. As a rule, Pagans are much better informed about other religions than the average Christian. The word "pagan" originated from "paganus," a Roman term meaning those who live outside the city, i.e., "uncivilized." Of course, when one considers that the Romans fed people to lions for entertainment, it sort of brings the term "civilized" into question. Excellent article!
Candy Taylor Tutt, Woodland

It's all good
What a great article! There are significant social impacts as a result of our spiritual/religious affiliations and preferences. Monotheistic approaches to spirituality have missed the mark in de-emphasizing nature-based spirituality. What is down beneath our feet is not only good — it is critical. Some Pagan and Buddhist practitioners are critical of monotheistic practices while many of my friends integrate monotheistic, Buddhist, and polytheistic approaches to spiritual practice — it-is-all-good, take-what-you-like approach.

Because of the pain caused by historic violence, everyone is at risk for saying "Hey, my covenant is the right one" and being limited and fascist in approaching spirituality. There is no perfect document for relating to the history of creation. There is no perfect document for our human suffering. There is always more to learn. Going down and integrating earth-based spirituality as well as the disowned shadows (personal negative character traits) of self, is critical, as is joy in spirit.

I am Jewish and love my cultural heritage, though I disagree with violence perpetuated by fundamentalist and selfish, limited approaches to problem-solving — notice the problems go unsolved. I am Buddhist and I believe in nature as religion. Polytheistic cultures offer creative opportunity for integration and are critical to all of humankind — we are varied. When the dove from Noah's ark found life, it was not for one people — it was not for humans — it was opportunity for all life. How do I find peace? Looking around at the earth, the good people of Berkeley, appreciating the people buried under the cement, their land and culture, the Earth, Moon, and the stars, and being grateful.
Scott Weber, Berkeley

A rare choice
I'd like to recommend the book The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins, to Chris Nettleson, interviewed in your article. Dawkins has a very sympathetic discussion about the legacy of fear that Christianity often leaves in its practitioners in the chapter "Childhood, Abuse, and the Escape from Religion," that might make it of interest to Chris. I appreciate the fact that Tina and Chris are making it clear to their children that they can choose what religious beliefs they will adopt (if any) once they are grown. Most kids don't get that kind of consideration from their parents but are pressed into service, so to speak, before they are old enough to make those kinds of decisions.
Jean Rains, Oakland

Paganism is not transcendent
Wicca and Paganism arose in the '60s as a reaction to fundamentalist Christianity, or "Jesus freaking." And the Jesus freaks arose as a reaction to the success of the Hare Krsnas. I am a Hare Krsna who was formerly a Pagan. Many Pagans don't like that we Krsnas are monotheistic — they like many gods. We also have many demigods, but Krsna is Lord of them all, and we don't have to worship each of them individually. Their perspective is that Krsna is just another demigod — our perspective is that Krsna expands Himself as Allah, or Jehovah, and is the Source of all the demigods — "It is better to live in a cage full of fire than to live with a worshipper of many gods."

Paganism is not a transcendent religion — it is for getting things here. The original Pagans had a transcendent philosophy called Gnosis, which was the remnants of the impersonal philosophy of the brahm among the mlecchas (those people who were/are bereft of the Vedic wisdom). The modern pagans do not have this philosophy — they simply rely on various fallible gods and on animal magnetism to achieve their desires, which are also small.

The trouble with Christianity, on the other hand, is that nobody practices it.
Clayton O'Claerach, Oakland

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Wow, I was very impressed with the responses to the article until I happened upon Geraldine's comment that witchcraft is not a religion. Excuse me Geraldine but who are you to tell me (and others) what our religion is or is not? I apologize if I come across as rude but I find your comments highly offensive. There are just as many types of witchcraft as there are christian denominations and witchcraft can be practiced at any time, any where, even within these religious sects. However, some of us, have dedicated ourselves to the Lord and Lady, and find much peace, fellowship, spiritual connectedness, etc. within our religious beliefs. Just because you don't find these truths to be true for you does not mean that they are not still truths to others. I no longer believe in the "holy trinity" of father, son and holy ghost,or that jesus christ died for my sins, but that does not negate the validity of the religion of those who do. I think it might be wise of you to do a little more historical research, maybe even some pre-christian history and you might just find that witchcraft as it is described today has been practiced for over 30,000 years in many forms and in many places.

Posted by divinece97 on April 24, 2007 at 12:40 PM | Report this comment

I agree with Kymberley that Wicca fulfills all of the prerequisites of a religion, but to claim it is an intact version of 30,000 year-old nature worship is unsupportable by historical evidence. I am Pagan myself, and am raising my daughter as one, but I am under no illusions as to modern neo-Paganism's sources. The common points of Wiccan/Pagan practice, such as the four classic Elements assigned to the four cardinal directions, has no historical proof. But the point is moot. It matters not if a religion is 30,000 years old or 30 days old, it has to be evaluated by the same criteria. Many will point out that the Wiccan "backstory" is mythical, but the same can be said for almost any "major" religion. For example, there is no historical evidence (outside of Biblical accounts) that the Jewish Exodus actually occurred, but that doesn't invalidate Judaism (and for all the articles of late that expose the lack of historical evidence for Wiccan beliefs, I see little in the way of saying the same about any other religion.) Joseph Campbell once said that a "myth" is a story that is "true", whether or not the events described actually happened or not. What matters is that myths teach us truths about the human condition, not historical events. So Wicca can be a "true" religion, regardless of the historicity of its myths.

Posted by joemax9334c2 on April 25, 2007 at 4:50 AM | Report this comment

To Geraldine Byrne: I am glad you have read Ronald Hutton's excellent book, "The Triumph of the Moon". You obviously didn't finish it though, as at the end, he concludes that Wicca IS a religion. Wicca and witchcraft are not synonymous - all Wiccans are witches but not all witches are Wiccans. There is no evidence that there has ever been any satanic witchcraft (nor is there any evidence of any medieval pagan witchcraft, I hasten to add), so to claim that witchcraft and satanism are the same thing is to accept the lies put about by the church during the Reformation (which was when most of the persecution of so-called witches took place). Anyway, thanks again to the East Bay Express for such a lovely article.

Posted by yaburrowcd28 on April 27, 2007 at 6:15 AM | Report this comment

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